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    @Winger said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    Ive just seen the game

    Somethings got to be done about poor reffing. Poor decisions are destroying rugby. And as a big rugby fan its putting me off the game. The yellow last week was ridiculous. But a mistake with yellow is only for 10 minutes. A mistake with a red can be for a lot longer

    In my view if anyone should have got the red card it was Havili. His jump was reckless. He basically jumped into the head of the Lions player. He had nil chance of taking the ball without connecting with the upper body of the player he jumped into = reckless play. But the same clown who gave a yellow last week gave the red this week. Likely because he knew he made a mistake last week and didn't want to be accused of SA bias this week (the reason why neutral refs shoudl always be appointed)

    But this has now become fairly consistent. Refs giving debatable decisions. We just need to accept this and reduce the impact of these debatable decisions. My view is now to scrub yellow card and replace penalties with a 4 pointer (yellow card type offense where it will be in the center of the field). The rest will be only 2 points. And keep red card but make it the player leaves the field and doesn't return but he can be replaced after 10 minutes. And the team is penalized 4 points without the kick. Or something like this. Poor or inconsistent reffing is ruining games. Just accept this will continue to happen (refs are human) and try to lessen the impact

    This post will go down like Red Peak.

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    @Winger No real debate about the decisions - some questions about the laws though
    Peyper put in a good shift...for a ref

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    @Winger fuck off Winger that was a red all day every day

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    @Winger said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    The yellow last week was ridiculous.

    You spelled "fully deserved" incorrectly.

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    @booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger fuck off Winger that was a red all day every day

    Having reacted to that bullshit I will admit i have been schooled. Respect @Winger you are the Uber Troll.

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    Ive just seen the game

    Somethings got to be done about poor reffing. Poor decisions are destroying rugby. And as a big rugby fan its putting me off the game. The yellow last week was ridiculous. But a mistake with yellow is only for 10 minutes. A mistake with a red can be for a lot longer

    In my view if anyone should have got the red card it was Havili. His jump was reckless. He basically jumped into the head of the Lions player. He had nil chance of taking the ball without connecting with the upper body of the player he jumped into = reckless play. But the same clown who gave a yellow last week gave the red this week. Likely because he knew he made a mistake last week and didn't want to be accused of SA bias this week (the reason why neutral refs shoudl always be appointed)

    But this has now become fairly consistent. Refs giving debatable decisions. We just need to accept this and reduce the impact of these debatable decisions. My view is now to scrub yellow card and replace penalties with a 4 pointer (yellow card type offense where it will be in the center of the field). The rest will be only 2 points. And keep red card but make it the player leaves the field and doesn't return but he can be replaced after 10 minutes. And the team is penalized 4 points without the kick. Or something like this. Poor or inconsistent reffing is ruining games. Just accept this will continue to happen (refs are human) and try to lessen the impact

    This post will go down like Red Peak.

    Or antivaxx

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    @Siam said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger No real debate about the decisions - some questions about the laws though
    Peyper put in a good shift...for a ref

    I watched the replay in slow motion . When Havili jumped it was impossible for the Lions players to avoid him. He basically jumped into the lions player at the very last minute. and jumped forward into him at head shoulder level. If the lions player had jumped and Havilli hadn't the same thing would have happened. so the reckless player was Havilli not the lion. But the key is lets not yet these decision ruin games as this red card did. Make red a lesser penalty so ref decision = 10 minutes then a replacement.

    edit Crucial said the same thing below. but I don't feel the decision was correct

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    @Winger Yeah mate, I think we all agree it's not right. There was universal "wtf's" when this first turned up in Aviva comp a few seasons ago, and in true fern fashion we debated/vented it to hell and back (except Bones 🙂 )

    But like many illogical laws thrust on a population we've moved from denial to some sort of acceptance.

    Sure, it's still rooted but it ain't Jaco's fault or doing - he's just following shitty orders from gin swilling litigation arse-covering administrators toadying up to SJW's, mums and minority rabble rousers.

    This player safety thing will win out though, especially when NFL dies out due to more CTE driven massacres and lawsuits - don't believe me? fair enough but the US of A is one fucked up place...

    but I digress...

    Jaco blameless (in a world where accidents aren't allowed to happen)

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    @booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger fuck off Winger that was a red all day every day

    a bit strong mate? Seen deletions for less eh @Canerbry ?

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    @Siam I just can't understand this need to see the player's as blameless and devoid of responsibility. Why was it the administration's fault? Looked very, very similar to Smith out on the field, odd. Was he being controlled by the administration? Or could he have taken more care?

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    @Siam said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger fuck off Winger that was a red all day every day

    a bit strong mate? Seen deletions for less eh @Canerbry ?

    Nah not going to delete @Winger 's post ...

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    Ive just seen the game

    Somethings got to be done about poor reffing. Poor decisions are destroying rugby. And as a big rugby fan its putting me off the game. The yellow last week was ridiculous. But a mistake with yellow is only for 10 minutes. A mistake with a red can be for a lot longer

    In my view if anyone should have got the red card it was Havili. His jump was reckless. He basically jumped into the head of the Lions player. He had nil chance of taking the ball without connecting with the upper body of the player he jumped into = reckless play. But the same clown who gave a yellow last week gave the red this week. Likely because he knew he made a mistake last week and didn't want to be accused of SA bias this week (the reason why neutral refs shoudl always be appointed)

    But this has now become fairly consistent. Refs giving debatable decisions. We just need to accept this and reduce the impact of these debatable decisions. My view is now to scrub yellow card and replace penalties with a 4 pointer (yellow card type offense where it will be in the center of the field). The rest will be only 2 points. And keep red card but make it the player leaves the field and doesn't return but he can be replaced after 10 minutes. And the team is penalized 4 points without the kick. Or something like this. Poor or inconsistent reffing is ruining games. Just accept this will continue to happen (refs are human) and try to lessen the impact

    This post will go down like Red Peak.

    Nice

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    @booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Winger fuck off Winger that was a red all day every day

    Having reacted to that bullshit I will admit i have been schooled. Respect @Winger you are the Uber Troll.

    I've been saying it for years, he's the best troll here by miiiles

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  • SiamS Offline
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    @Bones I see exactly where you're coming from too Bones.

    I agree with the premise, and it'll stick around forever I think.

    Question: I ain't played for ages (decades) and never at a fast level but I can't remember if it's that easy to adjust the running/effort/committment to this new "players responsibility" doctrine.

    I guess players have to remove tunnel vision but is it that easy?
    Don't you lose a bit of the mongrel factor?
    Agree that they have to and on the tele it looks reasonably doable (super slow mos don't help), but what price do we pay for players being cautious instead of rip shit and bust?

    Just observing that in Quokka's case it highlights a different thought process of "get to the ball" vs "get to the ball, fuck is he going to jump? will I make it? get to the ball, can I smash him?"

    Seems a lot to process at a hundred miles an hour - but yeah, I guess they have to

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    just realised it's been a bout a month since I pissed and moaned about....

    FUCKING players rolling along the fucking ground for fucking yards after being tackled!!!

    Surely some fucker is going to roll all the way down the pitch one day, joyfully reveling in a cockstain ref bleating "not held"

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    @Winger
    When I wrote your first post, I thought you were joking. But it seems you are not !
    Havili was jumping towards the ball (look at his eyes), not towards Smith's head. Peyper did what he had to do : to show a red card to Kwagga Smith.

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    @Winger said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    I watched the replay in slow motion . When Havili jumped it was impossible for the Lions players to avoid him. He basically jumped into the lions player at the very last minute. and jumped forward into him at head shoulder level.

    Can't you leave your attention seeking at your conspiracy theories? It was a red card every day of the week.

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    @Bones said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    @Siam I just can't understand this need to see the player's as blameless and devoid of responsibility. Why was it the administration's fault? Looked very, very similar to Smith out on the field, odd. Was he being controlled by the administration? Or could he have taken more care?

    it's contentious because unlike foul play red cards, there are two players contributing to the situation and also there's a huge subjective element for such a harsh penalty
    and
    the after the fact analysis of how he landed is entirely arbitrary to the actions of the transgressor and determines his sanction - that's spurious

    ergo administrators gave us this edict and it's pretty irrational and inconsistent

    Whereas a red card kick or knee or punch is only really one way traffic

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    There have been several games this season where players got their timing exactly right and tackled the jumping player as soon as his feet touched the ground; often because the player arriving last held back in time. It's a matter of anticipating what is going to happen if there is a high kick. Kwagga Smith could have and should have anticipated that Havili was going for the ball and was going to jump. It was also clear he wouldn't be in time to catch the ball himself and he should have held back until Havili had landed. He didn't hold back; just moved his arms forward in the last second before impact. No way the ball was in the middle between both players.

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