How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?
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@pakman said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
@crucial Agree. As a long time watcher I've also thought I've noticed that at Twickenham, which has more cameras than a bull can s***, ABs have been especially loathe to reveal their hand.
That will make things very interesting next year.
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@tewaio said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
We are passive in defense and let the opposition cross the advantage line too easily. And we're always vulnerable at breakdown as we seem to under commit players to win the ball. When defending in our own 22 we always seems to give away penalties/cards. And we seem to kick too much. Makes for a frustrating watch in 2017.
Agree. The NH teams as well as the Lions seem to have mastered the rush defence a lot better than the SH teams. It was noticeable how much quicker Scotland's line speed was compared to ours. I don't know why we aren't trying to focus on this as it puts the opposition under so much of pressure.
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@akan004 said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
@tewaio said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
We are passive in defense and let the opposition cross the advantage line too easily. And we're always vulnerable at breakdown as we seem to under commit players to win the ball. When defending in our own 22 we always seems to give away penalties/cards. And we seem to kick too much. Makes for a frustrating watch in 2017.
Agree. The NH teams as well as the Lions seem to have mastered the rush defence a lot better than the SH teams. It was noticeable how much quicker Scotland's line speed was compared to ours. I don't know why we aren't trying to focus on this as it puts the opposition under so much of pressure.
Interesting that (from memory) NZ XV were quite dominant in tackles against French XV. And not so keen on 'tackle practice'?
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@akan004 said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
@tewaio said in How would you define the AB's game style at the moment?:
We are passive in defense and let the opposition cross the advantage line too easily. And we're always vulnerable at breakdown as we seem to under commit players to win the ball. When defending in our own 22 we always seems to give away penalties/cards. And we seem to kick too much. Makes for a frustrating watch in 2017.
Agree. The NH teams as well as the Lions seem to have mastered the rush defence a lot better than the SH teams. It was noticeable how much quicker Scotland's line speed was compared to ours. I don't know why we aren't trying to focus on this as it puts the opposition under so much of pressure.
For the very reason I mentioned earlier. Rush defence is basically a negative play. It may reduce the options of the other team but if/when they do make an error or try too hard you aren't in a position to capitalise and switch to attack.
Take Ioane's intercept the other day. If we used a rush up and in defence we would have simply forced another ruck and recycle. Instead we put pressure on individuals to make quick decisions and that paid of because the poor decision for a wide pass created the opportunity for him to fly into the gap and take the ball. -
The kicking game was generally poor this year , half of that I put at BBs feet the other half due to Bender’ s abscence. The rush defenses rattled us but that is because are execution was often poor , when we executed there was loads of space up the middle for our wings. The tackling teqnique has been adjusted I think to go lower, but we don’t get any turnovers I think we used to get loads from players other than our 7 but they rarely seem to now.
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@crucial The downside of a semi rush defensive system which is what we are using is that the opposition gets to hold on to the ball for multiple phases, like Wales did on the weekend. They do not feel the need to kick it back as they are making the gain line more often than not. Can we afford to tackle for 15+ phases every time the opposition has the ball without eventually tiring ourselves out?
There's a lot of talk as to why BB hasn't been able to recapture his 2016 form and I believe the improved rush defences is a large contributing factor. Cut down the time and space from any player and they will look ordinary.
No system is perfect of course, and you're right to highlight the fact that it negates the counter attacking options in the event of a turnover. But all things considered, I still think the positives outweigh the negatives.
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The key thing the NH teams are doing better is buying in to being patient and upping their basic skills to reduce handling errors. As the BIL showed, if you stick to that plan you can reap rewards.
What they still don't have is instinctive plays off each other to get creative after bashing the brick wall a dozen times -
@dmx we haven't hunted for turnovers for many years now, we are more about pressuring the breakdown forcing errors, although we have numerous players that go for a breakdown turnover when it is there rather than one player who goes for them.
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I see your point but we still seemed to get more in the past but just spread out among players , Hore , Whitelock, Rettallick used to get a few for us , these days I see guys going for turnovers but not with much success. I guess the refs have not been helping much either.
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Right now playing NH sides, I feel like they are always close to stealing our ball at the breakdown, where as we never seem to be in an ideal position to do so. Ireland to me seem to be the best at competing at the breakdown right now.
I've also noticed this year the NH sides are much better at exploiting poor body position of the ball carrier, and attempting to hold the player up.
