Census 2018
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Just filled mine out online.
What a waste of time.
The government seem to want to know my home is damp or wet and mouldy, do I have some form of heating, do I have a kitchen and a toilet, good hearing and good eyesight.
I can see where some of this might be useful for poverty data, but I find it hard to believe that much of the data they receive would be of much use at all for anything.
How many will not participate, older people without internet access will be a fair few and not sure that many of them would manage or bother to get the paper forms.
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@donsteppa said in Census 2018:
I think Stats NZ have fucked this one up and the undercount will be huge.
Still waiting for our online code in the mail...
Only got ours yesterday
Lots of posts on community fb pages from people asking where their codes are -
@infidel said in Census 2018:
The government seem to want to know my home is damp or wet and mouldy, do I have some form of heating, do I have a kitchen and a toilet, good hearing and good eyesight.
Stuff like that is useful for long term planning like where are we going to need hospitals in the future as we get old? What services should they provide? Etc
With regard to the house, kind of an aside, but still on the aging theme: went to a presentation not that long ago about "aging in place". Essentially setting up new homes to suit the aging population so there isn't such a need for resthomes etc. (Was an interesting concept but won't go into it.)
I think knowing what existing homes are equipped with would be helpful in that sort of planning.
Reckon you'd be surprised what data is useful for what.
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I filled mine out during the week and seem to remember more questions to answer in previous censuses.
Statistics NZ will be phoning or visiting people that haven't completed the form to follow-up, and that task will be huge. I think you may even be able to complete the form for March 13 if your codes haven't arrived on time.
Even allowing for late mail it is funny that people want to be able to complete forms online but others still bitch and moan that they don't have internet access - they can't win. Unfortunately the people that will be under-represented in the census are likely the ones who most need Government help.
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I got my online code 10 days ago...just need to find some time to get online and do it....
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@taniwharugby said in Census 2018:
I got my online code 10 days ago...just need to find some time to get online and do it....
Cant fit it in between visits to pornhub?
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Just did mine, it doesnt actually say 'completed' when you have completed it, just goes back to the start.
I just went with New Zealander, over New Zealand European, and funnily New Zealander comes up as one of the options when you start typing it.
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@nepia said in Census 2018:
@mn5 said in Census 2018:
I'm trying to decide if I'm still a Jedi or if I might become a Sith this time round......
I thought it was the same religion and it just depends how you worship it?
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Seems like a cluster**** as expected!
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@infidel said in Census 2018:
Seems like a cluster**** as expected!
All problems go away if you throw a pile of taxpayers money at them apparently
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Not being quite as dogmatic about 'online first' might have helped them... online is awesome for the average TSF user, not so great when trying to measure communities least likely to have online access/tech savy...
I make use of a lot of Census data so was very keen to fill it in. I wonder if we'd have ever been asked to fill in the Census if I had't chased them up...
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@jegga said in Census 2018:
@infidel said in Census 2018:
Seems like a cluster**** as expected!
All problems go away if you throw a pile of taxpayers money at them apparently
Same shit happened in Australia not long ogo. BoS fucks up and of course blames "lack of money". Wish I could use that as an excuse every time.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Census 2018:
@jegga said in Census 2018:
@infidel said in Census 2018:
Seems like a cluster**** as expected!
All problems go away if you throw a pile of taxpayers money at them apparently
Same shit happened in Australia not long ogo. BoS fucks up and of course blames "lack of money". Wish I could use that as an excuse every time.
Who knew you should test things first..?
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I'm amazed that the Government Statistician seems determined to stay in her job after the 2018 Census debacle and having to be threatened with contempt of parliament for refusing to answer a select committee. I've yet to speak to a researcher who thinks the data will be much more than worthless...
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Some interesting commentary from Tony Alexander in part of his BNZ Weekly Update: (Source: http://tonyalexander.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/WO-April-11-2019.pdf)
The begrudging admission from the Statistics NZ chief exec (under threat of being found in contempt) that last year’s census was essentially a complete botch-job was a tad surprising. Having near 10% or 480,000 people not complete the online survey was bad enough. But the revelation that near another 240,000 did not fully complete the survey means whenever Statistics NZ get around to releasing data they will be all but worthless. They should try again.
If this were the UK some heads would have rolled by now and hopefully accountability is laid at the right doors. But that aside, the census failure means the government and government departments, planners and investors of all sorts will simply be making best guesses as to how rapidly populations are rising or falling in particular locations, how population compositions are changing, and what resources need to be moved around to do the best for the most New Zealanders. The absence of reliable population data is likely to lead to insufficient efforts to drive greater construction of housing, infrastructure health and social services in some locations, and excessive wasteful efforts in others.
And it gets worse than that because the removal of departures cards at airports means we no longer even have reliable estimates of how permanent migration flows are changing. You’d have thought that the passage of time and development of so many new technologies would have left us in a more informed state than in the past. But we are worse off. This can be seen also with the monthly Electronic Card Transaction data from Statistics NZ. You would think that dropping the old monthly Retail Trade Survey and adopting data derived from debit and credit card spending would give us a good early guide to the eventual quarterly retailing survey. But the electronic transaction data have proved to be very poor at giving insight – and that is the key reason why some years back I stopped trying to turn data from one gathering company into a meaningful monthly spending gauge. They simply did not get accurate enough numbers.
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But the revelation that near another 240,000 did not fully complete the survey means whenever Statistics NZ get around to releasing data they will be all but worthless. They should try again.
Why try again unless you can resolve why people aren't completing it? I chose not to provide information to the ABS in the last census.
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@antipodean because historically the non completion rate has been very low so unless all the millennials that got to complete a census for the first time are a bunch of apathetic, self-centred laggards
the assumption is its because people/boomers couldn't be bothered to complete an on-line form -
@dogmeat said in Census 2018:
@antipodean because historically the non completion rate has been very low so unless all the millennials that got to complete a census for the first time are a bunch of apathetic, self-centred laggards
the assumption is its because people/boomers couldn't be bothered to complete an on-line formI wouldn’t diminish the fact that an online form can be daunting for some people. Online should be an option, not the main method.
