Pumas vs All Blacks
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OK so a while away but now has a bit more frisson with the improvement of Los Pumas, coupled with the loss to the Boks. What I am wondering is if the Wise Men will stick with the plan they had last year, high minute/important players will get an extra week off and go direct to S.A.? Or do you think that's not on the cards now. Bear in mind that the northern tour is long, but not too intense opposition wise. FYI:
30 Sept vs Pumas
7 Oct vs Boks
~3 weeks off
27 Oct vs Oz in Japan
3 Nov vs Japan
10 Nov vs Eng
17 Nov vs Ireland
24 Nov vs ItalySo they can have a pretty wet sail vs Italy at the end, game is a given - tho I bet we'll be crap! Oz, unless things change, are middling at best - and the Bok defeat, along with this being a sorta RWC tester, will hopefully stop any 3rd Bled complacency. Then England, who knows what will turn up and then Ireland, that could be sooo very close to taking the #1 spot by that point (they play Italy and Arg which could be good for a few decimal points).
What say you? I think the ABs will trust their original plans, and we'll see some senior players stay back. Some have not had heaps of minutes via injuries or rests (Read, Bender, Ioane outside of SR, etc) so I think there will be a strong core still. There is also a few areas of injuries prop/lock/6 that means we'll take whatever we've got! But Beaudy might stay back, as he was supposed to last year but didn't (Soapy's baby, I think?); maybe A Smith; any others?
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Karl T, Coltman, Ofa, Retallick, Hemopo, Frizzell, Cane, L. Whitelock, Smith, B. Barrett, Ioane, SBW, ALB, B. Smith, DMac
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@act-crusader You could probably go Tuipulotu at lock, Hemopo at 6 and the Tongan God of rugby at 8 to get to 15.
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@act-crusader said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
Karl T, Coltman, Ofa, Retallick, Hemopo, Frizzell, Cane, L. Whitelock, Smith, B. Barrett, Ioane, SBW, ALB, B. Smith, DMac
Who are you and what have you done with ACTC?
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@act-crusader and why not NMS on the wing?
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12128759&ref=rss
OK so no plans this year for resting vs Arg in Arg. Hopefully we'll see a lot less silliness next two tests.
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The All Blacks squad for Argentina and South Africa is:
FORWARDS
-Coltman, Harris, Taylor- Franks, Perry, Ta’avao, Tu’inukuafe, Tuungafasi
- S. Barrett, Tuipulotu, S. Whitelock,
- Cane, Fifita, Frizell, Hemopo, Read, Savea & L. Whitelock
BACKS - Perenara, A. Smith, Tahuriorangi
- B. Barrett, McKenzie, Mo’unga
- Crotty, Goodhue, Lienert-Brown, Williams
-J. Barrett, Ioane, Milner-Skudder, Naholo & B. Smith
NOTE
Captain Kieran Read won’t travel to Argentina
“We always had a plan to manage Kieran’s long haul travel this year, following his return to rugby after back surgery, so he’ll miss the trip to Argentina and re-join the squad in South Africa for the Test against the Springboks.” - ABs coach Steve Hansen
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Here's the link to the announcement on the ABs website:
http://www.allblacks.com/News/33112/all-blacks-squad-to-argentina-and-south-africa-named -
ACT Crusader said:
@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
We wait for next Thu.
Is that when the team is named?
the real team is the red & black one you name before every game....
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@tim Whitelock, Cane then Savea...
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@taniwharugby One specialist 8, three 6s, and two 7s.
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Patrick McKendry in the the Herald:
The All Blacks starting loose forwards against Argentina a week on Sunday are likely to consist of Shannon Frizell – probably at No 8 – Jackson Hemopo and Sam Cane. Frizell and Hemopo have three tests between them.
Vaea Fifita, back in the fold as Read's replacement is an option to start ahead of Hemopo but will probably be named on the reserves bench.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12129551
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What the fuck is Fifita "I don't like doing hard work" doing there ahead of Akira.
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@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
I find it surprising that L Whitelock won't start at no.8 when he was used in the French series when Read was injured.
If he doesn't, why the fuck is he in the squad?
Do you mean you 'would find it surprising'?
The team hasn't been named yet....(when is that by the way?)
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@crucial According to the McKendry on the Herald "The All Blacks starting loose forwards against Argentina a week on Sunday are likely to consist of Shannon Frizell – probably at No 8 – Jackson Hemopo and Sam Cane. Frizell and Hemopo have three tests between them."
I reckon it'll be Whitelock at 8, for experience, in leadership and internationals both. They'll have a raw 6 of Frizzle or Hemopo, I really can;t see both starting
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Crucial said:
@bovidae said in Pumas vs All Blacks:
I find it surprising that L Whitelock won't start at no.8 when he was used in the French series when Read was injured.
If he doesn't, why the fuck is he in the squad?
Do you mean you 'would find it surprising'?
The team hasn't been named yet....(when is that by the way?)
I'll bite! Thu ... thur ... thurs .. day?
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Frizzell, Cane, L. Whitelock.
Not too concerned about the loosies. We just better pick some pace in the centres and 3/4s
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Rocky Rockbottom said:
6 Hemopo
7 Cane
8 Frizzleok, now that would be a test.
not saying that trio have got "first ever test loss to the Argies" written all over them but FFS HOLD ME MUMMY
still, rather Bum Splinters Frizzle than Luke Shitelock.
Why would you include Cane? Savea at 7 in that trio - now THAT would be a test.
I'm not sure why people are surprised about Fifita, Hansen clearly has a thing for running wide Tongan 6s. Why he doesn't like running and tackling Samoan-Maori guys is the big question. Well, actually, he does like one of them, just not the one who plays in the forwards.
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