My Turn ... Running Down A Dream
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
106 was 2:06
76 was 1:34That second time is insane.
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I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
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@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood. -
All good advice chaps, I know weight is the biggest issue, it’s also the hardest thing to deal with!
One thing I’m interested in is what you should do in a run if you are either in the zone or not. Some runs I’m absolutely on it and will occasionally push myself further. Others I’m not at all but push myself to keep going. So the question is ... injuries aside, should you stick to a plan like glue, or deviate according to how you feel?
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@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood.I'm really hoping you have boys.
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@Catogrande said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood.I'm really hoping you have boys.
Well they were assigned that gender at birth.
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
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@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
Rather convoluted way to tell the forum that you are 189cm in height.
Well done on being tall?
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
Rather convoluted way to tell the forum that you are 189cm in height.
Well done on being tall?
190cm but who's counting.....
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
All good advice chaps, I know weight is the biggest issue, it’s also the hardest thing to deal with!
One thing I’m interested in is what you should do in a run if you are either in the zone or not. Some runs I’m absolutely on it and will occasionally push myself further. Others I’m not at all but push myself to keep going. So the question is ... injuries aside, should you stick to a plan like glue, or deviate according to how you feel?
Personally I stick to a plan like glue. If I am feeling it, I have a good run and call it a day, I don't push it. But conversely if I am not feeling it I refuse to quit on a run because its in the plan.
For me if I had the flexibility to add more on the good days I would feel I could take away on the bad days. But its the bad days where you get the most benefit.
Its running when it sucks, when it hurts, and when you don't want to. You will need that mental strength during the marathon because the wall is fucking real.
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Speaking of mental strength and pushing through pain barriers to run I am currently listening to "Cant hurt me" by David Goggins on audible.
It is properly inspiring and worth listening to for just this kind of thing.
Also the audio book has been supplemented by interviews with him in amongst chapters which really adds something.
Cant reccomend it enough (if you look at the reviews you will see I am not alone)
Seemed relevant to the discussion, seriously give it a listen. And if you do while on your runs it will be very hard to back off as it feels wrong when listening to his story.
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Going to aim for Monday morning updates here of the previous week and plan for the week ahead.
Mon: 6km, 34:04, 5:38 p/km
Wed: 6km, 31:38, 5:14 p/km
Fri: 7km, 37:55, 5:23 p/km (interval training)
Sun: 11km, 1:01:44, 5:35 paceFriday interval 800m warm up, 1min, 2min, 3min, 5, 3, 2, 1 with half time in between resting. 800m cool down at the end. Blew out far too quick on the early sets and had to walk afterwards. On the longer ones found a better rhythm around 4:35 - 4:50 pace, flat the last 30 secs .. only had to walk a little bit. I need more work on these
Sundays distance I was quite happy with. Had a dull headache all day from the night before, and finally roused the energy to do it around 4pm. Aim was for 55min 10k, then try and push the last km (its an ever so slight down hill) to aim for sub hour. Through 3km at 5:15 pace before started to lose my way. However, managed to keep every km under 6 mins, which I categorise as a mini-victory, so I'll take it!
This weeks plan - only going for 3 runs this week, but will push for a decent length one this weekend:
Tuesday - 7.5km, consistent pace, aim for no km > 5:40
Thursday - 7.5km, interval. Probably 800m warm up / cool down (it's 800m from my house to a canal which I run along), then perhaps 6 x 800m fast / 200m slow
Saturday - 15km, sub 1 hour 25 aim which is 5:40 paceAlways interested in others runners thoughts on what I shuld tweak / change / aim for etc.
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My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace. But sounds like you are in amongst it and have a plan. So stick with it and good luck.
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace. But sounds like you are in amongst it and have a plan. So stick with it and good luck.
Fair comment. Given that my 6k runs I'm only aiming for 30 mins, then a 20 min warm up may seem excessive!
One thing that I'm wondering will ever change is the feeling of struggle at about the 3 min mark. It's always always been there and I'm wondering if it will ever dissipate ... I always just run through it, but generally I'd say that the biggest struggle for me on any length run is usually this point!
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Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to. My half marathon time went from 1:50ish to 1:29 in a year or so. Still only average club runners times, but I feel like I’ve reached my potential
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace.
When I was seriously fit I basically ran until I was tired and then turned around and tried to run a negative split back home. Or for planned distances every km was faster than the one previous. It didn't matter if the pace was merely five seconds quicker, it was the mental effort to run faster that was the key.
@SammyC said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to.
I worked it out quickly when I was unable to continue talking with others while they maintained a conversation. That identified my level of fitness in comparison to them. But keeping with them quickly made a difference. Also the competitiveness of running with others means you naturally run faster anyway because no one wants to be at the back.
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@SammyC said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to. My half marathon time went from 1:50ish to 1:29 in a year or so. Still only average club runners times, but I feel like I’ve reached my potential
Yyeah, I do. I really don't like running with others, I kind of like to be in my own zone and run at my own pace vs the clock etc. I'm 100% sure that I would probably improve quicker, but as I stated in my opening mission statement / gambit, running is still more a chore than recreation, subsequently anything which reduces my enjoyment, will also reduce my motivation.
Having said that if I look at my stats, for YTD
Jan, 12 runs, 88.5km, avg pace 5:45 p/km
Feb, 11 runs, 100.6km, avg page 5:33 p/km
Mar, 13 runs, 110km, avg page 5:27 p/kmOnly one in April so far but that was at 5:20 p/km. So I see a pretty steady improvement. 2017 / 2018 my overall average was closer to 6min km. October 2017 I ran 153km!
