Coronavirus - Overall
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Surely that's just a reflection on the countries doing mass testing and the costs of those tests?
And where is this!'China World?'
Which brings me to @Tim 's post and my completely I'll informed speculation.
Poorer countries have:
- less vulnerable people (not as old, not as inclined to lifestyle afflictions like obesity, diabetes, heart disease)
- less organised and less efficient health and reporting systems
Just thunks.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
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After Regeneron announced a setback on Monday with its research on the use of Kevzara in fighting the pandemic, hopes for the anti-inflammatory IL-6 class waned considerably. But now a group of researchers in France are cheering on a win in a controlled, randomized study of Roche’s rival Actemra, which has the same mode of action. And Roche cited it as part of the case for this drug as they push through their own Phase III.
News reports from France suggest solid evidence of success in Covid-19 patients, but there were no data to back up the boast.
What investigators did say was that in a randomized test involving 129 moderate to severe Covid-19 cases, the drug arm adding Actemra to standard of care did “significantly” better in reducing the number of deaths or need for ventilators at day 14. If that holds up, it would be a major advance for the field as the world anxiously awaits any evidence that drugs exist to fight the severe immune reactions triggered by the new virus.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
It blew my mind how bad it was. I love how the author talked about fat shaming and then somehow also made it racist.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
One of the worst articles I have ever had the misfortune to read in my entire life.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Yes. Openly.
I have a close relative whose clinically obese, and has recently finally started getting some of the health problems associated with it. Nothing is ever her fault, it's always somebody elses. First on the campaign to get smoking out of bars, and applauds every time is tax is raised.
What is it now, 80% of a cost of a cig is tax? Why not do the same to unhealthy food then? that'll be 70-80 for a feed of KFC and 15-20 for a bag of sweets. Same reasoning, it's unhealthy and it kills you. Shit load more people out there now going to die early (and take up medical resources) due to obesity, than smoking related health issues.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Yes. Openly.
It's one the articles that makes me wonder if we are in fact in the depths of a culture war. The world perspective is so different from mine that I struggle to understand it. Still, everyone gets their viewpoint adn the freedom to air it, even if I don't support it.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Why not do the same to unhealthy food then? that'll be 70-80 for a feed of KFC.
You shut your goddamn dirty mouth @MajorRage . I think we’ve established over the past 5 weeks that KFC is one of the 6 major food groups.
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Just heard a part of a radio interview with a Prof from the University of Qld who are working on a vaccine .
Hoping to go to human trials in July.
Apparently from that point it's usually a year until made available.
They're obviously hoping to reduce that timeframe.
Apparently (again) they were one of three vaccine developers who were given some sort of heads up by CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations - who sound officialish) back in January due to their awesomeness.
(Maybe @Tim can explain CEPI?)
Further, he mention there's something like 115 programmes worldwide researching a vaccine.
Hopes high, but some time off.
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Just on vaccine trials. Years ago I volunteered for a dengue vaccine trial looking to provide protection against the four serotypes (which basically means you can be infected four times). As far as I know, a vaccine against all four still doesn't exist, but as a benefit I'm lab confirmed to have developed antibodies against all four strains.
This was about two decades ago.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp I have zero view myself, but this is the first positive thing I’ve read about them and their approach to health.
Interesting. I don't follow it closely myself, but from the references I've seen, they seem to be cost/benefit focussed in a way that a lot of charities aren't. On the back of that, they seem to be able to spend money effectively, and others donate to them to support.
Is there controversy around them - may have to go and google now
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@MajorRage kind of seems the negativity or suspicion around the Gates Foundation has really spiked in the last few years - possibly in line with anti-vacc and the anti-science/expert phenomena.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage kind of seems the negativity or suspicion around the Gates Foundation has really spiked in the last few years - possibly in line with anti-vacc and the anti-science/expert phenomena.
Yeah, I can see how the cost/benefit of vaccinating people runs straight into anti-vaxx.
I've read some of his letters from time to time - like Warren Buffett's, they can be really interesting.
Also, just googled them. They spent $5BUS last year; that's about 3/4 of NZ's budget!
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@nzzp i don't think they've been ahead of the curve. This isn't meant to denigrate the work of their Foundation but the breathily adoring oh great oracle tone at the start of the article pisses me off.
It was widely accepted that we were well overdue a global pandemic. Just really hard for the health sector to get the level of funding required to be totally prepared from politicians who by definition care more about the immediate issues they (and the voters) face as opposed to the really, really bad boogie man that might come next week, month, year, decade. Oh but wait didn't you tell me this last year. Yeah - nah.
I'd say a big part of the reason why some countries in the developed world have fared so poorly is precisely down to this short termism. They have cut back on funding for the sorts of health measures that could have seen their countries better prepared in favour of bright, shiny things, they were unfortunate enough to be hit early because they are so interconnected to the world, their bureaucratic responses were often shambolic and in many instances their leaders behaved like idiots.
Other places NZ, Oz have been largely spared because they are comparatively less connected and had the time to see exactly what not to do.
Africa is a bit mystifying but I guess its the fact that large swathes of it aren't really connected at all, the age distribution and that they've had even longer to get their shit together. Could still get really serious for them though. We're still in the early phases of this pandemic. Just wait until countries relax and then suddenly discover - holy shit only a small % of our population has immunity.
Anyway good luck to the Gates Foundation. Someone somewhere needs to get lucky.
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@dogmeat world economic forum in late January 2020. All talked about climate change.
Nothing about the then known ( strongly suspected )virus outbreak in Wuhan.All those leaders, all that time, all about the hot button topic.
Fair to say a discouraging prioritizing by those ruling our lives and economies