Coronavirus - Overall
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@mariner4life Part of that will be that Italy and Spain are ahead of other countries on the curve. Watch for the US to surge.
They show no sign of tapering off though as East Asia has
The other big factors will be - I.T.A.L.Y - S.P.A.I.N.
NZ seemed to be trying to westernise the E Asian approach but got serious when people couldn't follow simple instructions.
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Nobel Prize winner on the topic:
The number of new infections detected in Australia has accelerated exponentially. It was doubling every five or six days a couple of weeks ago. It's now doubling every three days.
"We may see an upward trajectory for another week - a lot of the people on Bondi may have been infected," says Doherty, who literally wrote the book on the topic - "Pandemics: What Everyone Needs to Know" - in 2013.
But he expects that the measures introduced this week will work: "With a lag of a week or so, because the average time to [display] symptoms is five to six days and maybe longer," and only people showing symptoms have been allowed tests so far.
So a short-term surge is already baked in.
"I think the steps announced by the Prime Minister and the premiers will dampen this down. I would expect to see the curve flatten in the next couple of weeks, see it start to come down," he says.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
a look at the coronavirus medal table shows some interesting stats
the top 7 countries for cases make up 77% of the total
Italy and Spain have 26% of the cases, but 52% of the deaths.
The case numbers, recovery numbers, and death numbers are all over the shop. What data is reliable?
Switzerland is the other one that is out of whack, if on a smaller total scale.
a big problem for numbers is different levels of testing and reporting. Italy is too fucked up to test anyone but the really sick, so their deaths look higher. If you're not hospital sick in Italy you probably won't get tested. Germany testing heaps, lower death rate
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the US has only reported 44 more cases, and also 'only' 4 deaths, are they competing with China?
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@taniwharugby must be because it resets at midnight GMT. Previous day the US had 11,000 new cases and nearly 800 deaths. You just can't get that sort of drop off.
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Western Australia doubles down on nanny state nonsense by restricting alcohol sales and forcing people to go out in public more often.
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@Bovidae Haven't you seen the memes. The Millennial's are at home!! its the Gen Z fuckers messing it up.
From (huffpost - forgive me!) millennial's were born between 1981 and 1996, making them 24 to 39 years old in 2020. Anyone born in 1997 and beyond (making them 23 and younger) is considered part of Generation Z. Typically, a person graduates from college with a bachelor’s degree around the age of 22. So it was likely members of Gen Z partying on the beach.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bovidae Haven't you seen the memes. The Millennial's are at home!! its the Gen Z fuckers messing it up.
From (huffpost - forgive me!) millennial's were born between 1981 and 1996, making them 24 to 39 years old in 2020. Anyone born in 1997 and beyond (making them 23 and younger) is considered part of Generation Z. Typically, a person graduates from college with a bachelor’s degree around the age of 22. So it was likely members of Gen Z partying on the beach.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bovidae Haven't you seen the memes. The Millennial's are at home!! its the Gen Z fuckers messing it up.
From (huffpost - forgive me!) millennial's were born between 1981 and 1996, making them 24 to 39 years old in 2020. Anyone born in 1997 and beyond (making them 23 and younger) is considered part of Generation Z. Typically, a person graduates from college with a bachelor’s degree around the age of 22. So it was likely members of Gen Z partying on the beach.
They should leak word that a massive dance party is to be held at the ASB showgrounds and other large indoor venues around NZ. Then detain everyone who shows up for 4 weeks
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@dogmeat it seems to only update once a day, and usually no number means thier figures not updated yet, not a running one.
I agree, seems ridiculously low, but the updating of figures has been pretty consistent in that though have typically only been putting the 'day end' figures since I have been following it a few days back, so from a reporting POV the time difference should become irrelevant after multiple days of data.
edit: although I thnk they may be doing updates more regularly now
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@Paekakboyz I was thinking more of teenagers and those in their 20s which spans Gen Y and Z. You know, the idiots we saw on spring break.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rotated said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I blame the bureaucracy more than the government on that debacle though.
Same for the Ruby Princess stuff. Ultimately it was a bureaucratic bungle, does it really matter what uniform the particular individual was wearing? Border Force or NSW Health, either way the advice given to let the people off the ship will go down in the Government Bungle Hall of Fame.
And they'll spend a fair bit of time pointing fingers at each other until we've all forgotten about it.
The problem ScoMo has ... ... the MAIN problem - is that he completely lacks empathy, or at least lacks the ability to communicate something like empathy.
I know you're a political animal @barbarian but quite frankly the last 6 months has
shownclearly highlighted the massive flaws in our political party systems, the way leaders are chosen, and the concept of "merit" behind this. It just happens that the Federal Libs are in the spotlight, with ALP not far behind. Ministers like Taylor, Robert, and Dutton are clearly just making it up as they go along, and their only principle is "we're right and everyone else is wrong". They're still in slogan mode and go for attack dog when they run out of slogans.They were already failing the poorest due to systematic dismantling of social support by the Libs over 7 years. The economy was starting to spiral, and then the bushfires and now this...
Surely a no-confidence motion can't be far away?
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@NTA to what end? Another bunch of unqualified dickholes to come in? Who would have done it better that is available?
For every emotionless Dutton, there is the Penny Wong on the other side.
People need to stop seeing Ministers as these experts who know shit. What other job can there be a reshuffle where you get shuffled off to be in charge of something else?
Imagine that you rocked up to work one day and they decided you were now in charge of HR? And the Sales guy was now in charge of IT.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Imagine that you rocked up to work one day and they decided you were now in charge of HR? And the Sales guy was now in charge of IT.
I've worked there.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@NTA to what end? Another bunch of unqualified dickholes to come in?
Sort of my point - party politics is failing us. We need a new direction. A bunch of grown humans shouting at each other across a room filled with 80s decor is just not working.
Imagine that you rocked up to work one day and they decided you were now in charge of HR?
And the Sales guy was now in charge of IT.
Pretty much how it is these days anyway
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Sort of my point - party politics is failing us. We need a new direction. A bunch of grown humans shouting at each other across a room filled with 80s decor is just not working.
and it is not going anywhere. how do you replace it? It has become a self-feeding animal. This little crisis is nowhere near big enough to force change.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Surely a no-confidence motion can't be far away?
It's miles away. Parliament won't sit for months, but even then Labor aren't that stupid.
What's your suggestion for the new direction Nick? I too am dismayed by the standard of some MPs in Parliament but I'm not sure what the answer is. More robust preselection processes? We need some way of getting regular people into Parliament rather than ex-staffing machine men/women.
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You only have to watch the episode of you cant ask that with politicians to see what a cut throat world it is.
You just wonder if the Political system is the best way to get good "leaders" and experts in their fields. Every country is full of charismatic super intelligent people, but they never seem to be the ones at the top.
Jacinda imo fits the bill as she appears very emotionally intelligent, empathetic, switched on and just seems like a real person. Scomo on the other hand is the complete opposite.