Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan If I had young kids again, I'd vaccinate them too.
Mine's grown up now but I feel a bit conflicted at the idea if she was 5? ... my best guess is an emotional and protective parental response vs rational thinking.
Rational always wins for me, but not for a lot of other people. It's why in Europe and UK I think vaccinating kids in the short-term would be a big-picture net loss not a net gain.
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@mariner4life but that shouldn’t be the only criteria for being able to travel. Actually having the virus, as my kids have, should be enough for any medically astute person. Unfortunately it is a one size fits all but what do you expect from government.
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So, if you will wind your mind back to how stupid the "miracle drug" ivermectin shit was, it came about from some ridiculously high concentration screening assay. If that wasn't bad enough, they used the standard vero cells, which are monkey kidney cells, and for the purposes of covid had about zero relevance to the various epithelial cells of the respiratory tract.
It has not only become well known that vero cells are irrelevant for covid, but all this shit is creating useless treatments for people around the world.
All those fuckwits who call themselves "front line doctors for covid" or whatever, should have their stock trades investigated. At best morons, at worst criminals.
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@tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, if you will wind your mind back to how stupid the "miracle drug" ivermectin shit was, it came about from some ridiculously high concentration screening assay. If that wasn't bad enough, they used the standard vero cells, which are monkey kidney cells, and for the purposes of covid had about zero relevance to the various epithelial cells of the respiratory tract.
It has not only become well known that vero cells are irrelevant for covid, but all this shit is creating useless treatments for people around the world.
All those fuckwits who call themselves "front line doctors for covid" or whatever, should have their stock trades investigated. At best morons, at worst criminals.
They are snake oil salesmen preying on the impressionable and ignorant. Plenty of those to go around right now
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When I was using lung cancer cell lines for developing some genomic methods, I was using them because they consistently displayed a disease phenotype (to say the least), and were very easy to culture and maintain. The idea of using them to use in a library screen would have been insane. Let alone to use that as the basis of telling the public to use a drug. I've never heard of anything more stupid.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat the dangled carrot but the fluffy bunnies still won’t relinquish control. You are still a potentially infectious person.
But the government are unequivocally knobends
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wow, that was a distressing watch, whether COVID is what killed him or not...it seems pretty obvious he should be in hospital
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@kiwiwomble I wonder if Ireland has a culpable homicide law?
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KENILWORTH, N.J. & MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics today announced that molnupiravir (MK-4482, EIDD-2801), an investigational oral antiviral medicine, significantly reduced the risk of hospitalization or death at a planned interim analysis of the Phase 3 MOVe-OUT trial in at risk, non-hospitalized adult patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19. At the interim analysis, molnupiravir reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by approximately 50%; 7.3% of patients who received molnupiravir were either hospitalized or died through Day 29 following randomization (28/385), compared with 14.1% of placebo-treated patients (53/377); p=0.0012. Through Day 29, no deaths were reported in patients who received molnupiravir, as compared to 8 deaths in patients who received placebo. At the recommendation of an independent Data Monitoring Committee and in consultation with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), recruitment into the study is being stopped early due to these positive results. Merck plans to submit an application for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to the U.S. FDA as soon as possible based on these findings and plans to submit marketing applications to other regulatory bodies worldwide.
Somewhat low numbers of patients hospitalised, in both trial arms, for drawing conclusions from. Study was stopped to offer all patients drug though, due to good interim results.
Derek Lowe blog post:
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/molnupiravir-thor-s-hammer-delivers
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Article on the more realistic death counts and excess deaths.
The data is not that 'new' as it is the source used by FT and The Economist, from where it occasionally filters through to MSM.
Article is about the people behind the building of the dataset, and the how and why.
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@tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, if you will wind your mind back to how stupid the "miracle drug" ivermectin shit was, it came about from some ridiculously high concentration screening assay. If that wasn't bad enough, they used the standard vero cells, which are monkey kidney cells, and for the purposes of covid had about zero relevance to the various epithelial cells of the respiratory tract.
It has not only become well known that vero cells are irrelevant for covid, but all this shit is creating useless treatments for people around the world.
All those fuckwits who call themselves "front line doctors for covid" or whatever, should have their stock trades investigated. At best morons, at worst criminals.
I've upvoted this but have to say I understood none of that first paragraph.
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Dopehead bro can’t get straight answer from medical expert.
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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Dopehead bro can’t get straight answer from medical expert.
That annoyed the crap out of me. He hardly gave the other guy a chance to speak. One of my many pet hates.
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@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Dopehead bro can’t get straight answer from medical expert.
That annoyed the crap out of me. He hardly gave the other guy a chance to speak. One of my many pet hates.
Certainly. If you don't want to hear the answer, if you just want to berate someone with your own opinion, why go to the trouble of having them?