Saffas going?
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@taniwharugby said in Saffas going?:
@Machpants if you believe the article, Italy won't be leaving, meaning they would then have a bye week (That they have had before) or need an 8th team.
Certainly the clubs won't buy into having the 6N encroach further into the season?
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The poor size of the crowd for a game as big as Chiefs v Crusaders is a sign of how far Super Rugby is starting to circle the drain. I suppose why would you pay for a game where the best players are time limited - death by a thousand dumbs by the NZRU and SANZAR over the years.
SA would probably be better off in the 6N, it’s just whether the home nations will want two long haul flights added to their schedule.
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@Donsteppa at the end of the day, will SA bring the extra £'s and €'s that will ultimately be the determining factor to keep the Euro clubs in check...as a partner in SANZAR thier population helps them be the main player, in the big Euro markets, will it have the same pull?
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@taniwharugby initially they will. The novelty factor will be enormous. Just how long that can be sustained is the thing.
I’d imagine the many street gangs in Cape Town will be over the moon...
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Few thoughts:
SA had a lot of success in World Cups while playing in the 3/4N, even last RWC was vast majority SR players and no players playing in the Pro14. This move looks good on paper but may not translate to success on the field. The money men won't care.We desperately need to get Japan and USA/Canada on board for ¥$ or we are effectively farked. Would rather the NZRU throw their lot in with league than have all our best players playing in Europe.
If it's a vote among 6N unions, I wonder what happens if it's 3v3? Doubt it will be universally popular with 6N unions and fans.
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It's not just the money, our players have benefited enormously from constantly playing the South Africans, especially away.
That level of competition is not going to come from Japan, the Islands, or America.
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@mariner4life
Yes but they are much more likely to stay if we have money coming in. It's not a done deal. And even if it was, a trans Ta$man or South Pacific comp would see the bulk of our players go abroad. -
I guess the other factor is the temperature differences...
If this happens, could it see the end of INternational rugby as we know it?
It would surely see a slow demise of the rest of SH rugby, meaning more players heading north, giving clubs more power initially, putting more pressure on the INternational game...
I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I dont think this would be good at all
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@taniwharugby hadn't considered that. They may be closer in time zone but the seasons are out of whack. They can't play Super rugby and still play the 6N. So they either fall back on Currie Cup or export their players into the NH comp. Neither seem realistic
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@jegga said in Saffas going?:
This story has rolled around at some point every year this century, I'm sure the 6n teams will be stoked to get on a long haul flight to play on hard grounds in the height of summer.
So its agreed this is just the saffas posturing for a bigger slice of the SANZAAR pie? Steve Tew is barely out the door and it's all hitting the fan....
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@canefan said in Saffas going?:
@jegga said in Saffas going?:
This story has rolled around at some point every year this century, I'm sure the 6n teams will be stoked to get on a long haul flight to play on hard grounds in the height of summer.
So its agreed this is just the saffas posturing for a bigger slice of the SANZAAR pie? Steve Tew is barely out the door and it's all hitting the fan....
Probably is, kind of tedious though. It reminds me of the league players saying they'd switch to union when their contract was up for renegotiation .My favourite was when Willie Mason said the all blacks were interested in him.
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@Stargazer said in Saffas going?:
Quite a lot (relatively speaking) of fans follow their national teams to 6N away games; that will be near impossible if they play in South Africa.
Wait... what? It's near impossible to get to SA from the UK?
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@Bones said in Saffas going?:
@Stargazer said in Saffas going?:
Quite a lot (relatively speaking) of fans follow their national teams to 6N away games; that will be near impossible if they play in South Africa.
Wait... what? It's near impossible to get to SA from the UK?
It won't work without a major rejig of seasons
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@canefan said in Saffas going?:
@Bones said in Saffas going?:
@Stargazer said in Saffas going?:
Quite a lot (relatively speaking) of fans follow their national teams to 6N away games; that will be near impossible if they play in South Africa.
Wait... what? It's near impossible to get to SA from the UK?
It won't work without a major rejig of seasons
Ok...were you meaning to reply to someone else?
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@taniwharugby said in Saffas going?:
I expect if this happened, we would finally have no choice but to select players from overseas, although we'd probably just have to pick up those not snaffled up by the Euro teams.
Might not be the worst thing.
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Sooner or later SA will join 6 Nations and Heineken Cup, probably at expense of Italy. Too
much commercial pressure for this not to happen.My guess is that Super Rugby will be replaced by a new Aus, NZ and Pacific competition. The Rugby Championship will become a US, Argentina, Japan, Aus, NZ competition.
NZR will be forced to introduce their own version of Giteau's law.
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I agree about the Giteau rule. We’d have no choice but to select abroad.
But I think it’s optimistic to think that the Japanese and US will be keen to throw money at a passing concern for very long.
The ability to retain players will be based on money, we all agree on that. But the money will only be forthcoming if there is a palatable product for Asia and the Americans.
If NZ hammer everyone. If Argentina hammer everyone, who wants to see that? NZ and Argentina and no one else.
Anyone thinking the islands will be part of the plan is deluded. They aren’t part of the plan currently and there money around. How in the fuck are the remaining And soon to be much poorer RC unions going to prop up completely broke and corrupt Island unions?
Where we are headed in test rugby is meaningless games like football friendlies and only world cups mean something. The NH Club scene will become the be all end all.
Yes I’m being negative. Hoped to be proved well and truly wrong.
