Coronavirus - Australia
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Wow. I had totally forgotten there was a curfew!
So no chance of getting to "3rd Stage" until 26 Oct, regardless of actual cases. No ability to get to Stage 4 for another month after that.
Fuck me. I expect more unrest following this
Victoria’s first and second steps to recovery
The following will apply to metropolitan Melbourne from 11.59pm, 13 September 2020:- Curfew eased to 9 pm to 5 am
- Exercise increased to two hours per day
- Single “social bubbles”
- Public outdoor gatherings of two people or a household for up to two
hours - Playgrounds reopen
The second step will apply from 28 September 2020 subject to public health advice and if average daily cases are 30-50 in metro Melbourne over previous 14 days: - Public gatherings increase to up to five people from two households
- Schools: staged return for Prep to Year 2, VCE/VCAL and specialist
schools in Term 4 - Childcare reopens
- More workplaces open
- Outdoor pools reopen, personal training for up to two people per trainer
- Outdoor religious gatherings of up to 5 people plus 1 faith leader
Victoria’s third and fourth steps to recovery
The third step will apply for metropolitan Melbourne from 26 October 2020 subject to public health advice and if daily average is less than five new cases (state-wide) and less than five cases from unknown sources over the previous 14 days (state-wide total).- Curfew dropped
- Leave home – no restrictions on reasons or distance travelled
- Public gatherings increased to 10 people outdoors
- Visitors at home – up to five visitors from another nominated household
- Schools – potential staged return for Year 3 to 10 based on epidemiology
- Retail and hairdressing reopen
- Hospitality - predominantly outdoor seated service, group limit of 10 and
density limits - Sport – staged return of outdoor non-contact sport for adults. Outdoor
under 18 years contact and non-contact sport resumes
The final step from 23 November 2020 subject to public health advice and if no new cases for previous 14 days
- Public gatherings of up to 50 people outdoors
- Visitors at home – up to 20 visitors at a time
- Retail - all open
- Hospitality – indoor group limit of 20 people for seated service, cap of 50
patrons - Real estate – open with safety measures
- Sport – open subject to safety measures, contact sport resumes for all
ages - Weddings, funerals – maximum of 50 people
- Religion – public worship resumes subject to density quotas
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@voodoo Only a couple hundred showed up for the protest yesterday however talking with friends in the suburbs apparently a lot of folk just aren't giving a damn and meeting in groups or at friends places anyway. Its kinda mental speaking with family in Europe way harder hit who are going about there business pretty much as normal.
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As someone who is going about their life pretty much normally (we went to the zoo today) I understand.
But, or and, we haven’t seen our friends - the Ys - since February, as they are both between 55-65 and one has an underlying condition.
I haven’t seen anyone I work with, or my students, since January.
And, even when we go out, my 2 year old son knows that when we enter anywhere the first thing we do is ‘scho scho’ with the alcohol or ‘let’s wash our hands.’
So I think it’s a good point that we’re just getting on with it over here, and that’s good, but maybe equally the point is that nothing is normal anywhere.
I’d still probably rather be here though, and that’s telling.
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just 41 cases in the last 24 hours, lowest number since june 26, any restrictions will be harder and harder to justify the lower that number goes, my only goal is to get some alignment between all the states and open the borders
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
just 41 cases in the last 24 hours, lowest number since june 26, any restrictions will be harder and harder to justify the lower that number goes, my only goal is to get some alignment between all the states and open the borders
I think you'll find the situation has been miraculously resolved north of the Tweed come 1st November.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Officially in recession:
and to keep banging my drum, the recession is in spite of the various govt stimulus measures that we still have to pay for
Unless its funded by an increased Govt deficit (rather than increased tax). And any sensible Govt would not reduce debt unless the economy is overheating in the future
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Avi isn't most people's cup-of-tea, and I'd put his reporting is probably on par with The Guardian's as far as bias is concerned but this is terrifying stuff. What's even worse than the police actions in both the footage and the hidden recordings is the mainstream journalists knowingly withholding information in their reports about their experience with police. Clearly if your tongue isn't firmly up Dan Andrew's ass then you can't be a journalist in Melbourne.
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@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
I am guessing there is more to it. Whether that makes the arrest right or wrong, who knows. On thing I would bet on is that the guy was hoping to get arrested at some stage. It wouldn't surprise me if he went out if his way to be a pain in the arse from the very start.
I feel for the cops that arrested him. There are few things worse than being a junior cop and a senior cop telling you somebody needs to be arrested. If I was there I would have quietly moved into the background the moment the field commander started saying arrest him. I have seen way too often junior cops jumping up to do the arrest then later on wondering what the fuck they arrested the guy for. Often the senior cop is nowhere to be found or claims to not know anything about the alleged offence.
I have refused to arrest people in the past after being instructed to do so by senior officers because I believed at the time they didn't deserve arresting. The senior officers hate it, and you can get yourself into some personal confrontations with them, but at the end of the day nobody can direct or order you to make an arrest. On the occasions I do arrest I make a point of getting the senior officer's details and telling them they will be making a statement and giving evidence if it goes to trial. They hate that too 😀
I hope where I live doesn't go the same way. I would hate to be a cop at those protests. My heart wouldn't be in it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
I am guessing there is more to it. Whether that makes the arrest right or wrong, who knows. On thing I would bet on is that the guy was hoping to get arrested at some stage. It wouldn't surprise me if he went out if his way to be a pain in the arse from the very start.
I feel for the cops that arrested him. There are few things worse than being a junior cop and a senior cop telling you somebody needs to be arrested. If I was there I would have quietly moved into the background the moment the field commander started saying arrest him. I have seen way too often junior cops jumping up to do the arrest then later on wondering what the fuck they arrested the guy for. Often the senior cop is nowhere to be found or claims to not know anything about the alleged offence.
I have refused to arrest people in the past after being instructed to do so by senior officers because I believed at the time they didn't deserve arresting. The senior officers hate it, and you can get yourself into some personal confrontations with them, but at the end of the day nobody can direct or order you to make an arrest. On the occasions I do arrest I make a point of getting the senior officer's details and telling them they will be making a statement and giving evidence if it goes to trial. They hate that too 😀
I hope where I live doesn't go the same way. I would hate to be a cop at those protests. My heart wouldn't be in it.
Yeah, you really have to wonder what else happened dont you? Seems kind of odd, especially how quickly it escalated to them putting him on the ground
I truly don't envy you guys right now mate
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
Yep. But his character or the worth of his work have no role to play in the application of the law, pre-trial.
We've gotten into this awful mess worldwide, ( that our children will waste their lives fixing), because of subjective virtue analysis. No place for that in a mature democracy.
But here we are and here we will stay till this subjective application of the law isn't universally called out.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
Yep. But his character or the worth of his work have no role to play in the application of the law, pre-trial.
We've gotten into this awful mess worldwide, ( that our children will waste their lives fixing), because of subjective virtue analysis. No place for that in a mature democracy.
But here we are and here we will stay till this subjective application of the law isn't universally called out.
just to be clear, I was in no way insinuating that my dislike of the guy or his general character bears any relevance to the incident at hand.
One of the biggest problems we have though, as alluded to above, is that we all feed ourselves off these video snippets, having no idea what is being held back be differently people with different agendas. I dont have an answer to that
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It's certainly possible there is more to it. I don't however think he planned to get arrested here, he's just coming off a pretty serious heart attack this year so 5 officers violently pulling you to the ground at a minor protest is hardly the cause to become a martyr over. His reaction when the senior officer talked to him appeared to be clear bemusement thinking it couldn't possibly be true.
I'm sure the junior officers are just doing their job and the problems are much higher but damn where do you draw the line?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
we all feed ourselves off these video snippets,
Bingo. The chronicler tells the tale. There is no video that will be entirely unedited and tell every side of the story.
having no idea what is being held back be differently people with different agendas. I dont have an answer to that
There isn't one. Every media outlet will pursue an agenda based on what they think will get the most clicks.
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The most telling part of this story is the other journalists talking at 19:26
That's what the story is really about. Not Avi or the msm, but the massive disconnect we have between the authorities and the public. It's especially observable in Victoria right now, but it pervades all western societies.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The most telling part of this story is the other journalists talking at 19:26
That's what the story is really about. Not Avi or the msm, but the massive disconnect we have between the authorities and the public. It's especially observable in Victoria right now, but it pervades all western societies.
Yeah I thought that too but I wonder if that attitude is not unusual. The media, even mainstream, push the envelope a lot when they are sniffing for a story and they can have an entitled attitude about them. Police mainly have a good working relationship with the media, but I have seen them get pissed when not allowed to do something.
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@Crazy-Horse I'll also say that the Victoria Police in particular built up a heavy handed reputation over decades, and that isn't easily washed away.
You would know how it is more than most; tell someone if they go in this area or say that etc they could find themselves under arrest. Suddenly they're reporting you threatened them with arrest. All you're trying to do is head off a shitload of paperwork.
Tense times.
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Why do the police in the video have to use 3 or more people to pin him to the ground when he wasn't resisting?
Why couldn't they just cuff him like they did to the pregnant woman?
I guess it's standard procedure to tackle every single arrest suspect.
I'm pretty sure black lives matter protests was all about unnecessary police brutality, yet here we have a compliant suspect with government authorisation to be at an event, not resisting.
Hardly a dangerous situation.
The irony