Coronavirus - UK
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
I just don’t believe there has been no flu and no flu related deaths since March 2020
I wouldn't have a clue, but it's possible there's been way less due to social distancing/lockdown - or Covid has got there first.
Everything, and I mean everything, has been lumped under the Covid umbrella
A lot of truth in that. If Mrs M's father had caught Covid when dying of terminal cancer, it would have been put down to Covid.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
I just don’t believe there has been no flu and no flu related deaths since March 2020
I wouldn't have a clue, but it's possible there's been way less due to social distancing/lockdown - or Covid has got there first.
Everything, and I mean everything, has been lumped under the Covid umbrella
A lot of truth in that. If Mrs M's father had caught Covid when dying of terminal cancer, it would have been put down to Covid.
In that sort of situation I’m thinking it would be a multiple cause death certificate, and the death also included in the Covid stats?
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
I just don’t believe there has been no flu and no flu related deaths since March 2020
I wouldn't have a clue, but it's possible there's been way less due to social distancing/lockdown - or Covid has got there first.
Everything, and I mean everything, has been lumped under the Covid umbrella
A lot of truth in that. If Mrs M's father had caught Covid when dying of terminal cancer, it would have been put down to Covid.
In that sort of situation I’m thinking it would be a multiple cause death certificate, and the death also included in the Covid stats?
Pretty much. We were told If within 28 days of a positive test, it went in the Covid Stats. Death Certificate would state cancer as cause of death only.
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In the UK the death certificate would usually show all contributing factors in descending (I think) order. Likely in Vic’s MIL case Covid would not be a contributing factor. But… still goes in the stats as a Covid death. If you test positive and get run over by a bus outside the test centre, you’re in the stats as a Covid death. 🤷
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
If you test positive and get run over by a bus outside the test centre, you’re in the stats as a Covid death.
Is that actually true though mate? Surely one of those myths that people like me use to mock and deride the response.
Genuine question, as that'll be the final straw that makes me go nuclear! 🙂
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Is that actually true though mate? Surely one of those myths that people like me use to mock and deride the response.
It was happening until August/Sept of last year IIRC and they revised down the stats afterwards. Came to light when someone who had Covid 3 months earlier was killed in a car accident, but Covid put as a cause of death on the death certificate.
A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced. The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid. Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures. But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.
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@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
In the UK the death certificate would usually show all contributing factors in descending (I think) order. Likely in Vic’s MIL case Covid would not be a contributing factor. But… still goes in the stats as a Covid death. If you test positive and get run over by a bus outside the test centre, you’re in the stats as a Covid death. 🤷
Yep. Which is why international comparisons are difficult and the most accurate measure is excess death rates. And to be fair to the Government, that's been their position almost from day 1
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder?
It goes in the Covid deaths total, but not on the Death Certificate.
I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there
Mapping out my route for a 150 mile ride on the Honda..
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
I think you are getting yourself worked up over not much here. Excess deaths are unequivocal proof that Covid is taking people early. The numbers are broadly in line, so its' just reality. How much life people are losing is a fair question, as the vast majority of deaths are elderly, ill & obese.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
I think you are getting yourself worked up over not much here. Excess deaths are unequivocal proof that Covid is taking people early. The numbers are broadly in line, so its' just reality. How much life people are losing is a fair question, as the vast majority of deaths are elderly, ill & obese.
Spot on. The trouble comes when the media, conspiracy theorists, politicians and the like concentrate on the less relevant but easier to consume figures.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Mapping out my route for a 150 mile ride on the Honda..
That's the trick mate!👍
Lots of corners and sweeping scenery!😁
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
I think you are getting yourself worked up over not much here. Excess deaths are unequivocal proof that Covid is taking people early. The numbers are broadly in line, so its' just reality. How much life people are losing is a fair question, as the vast majority of deaths are elderly, ill & obese.
Thanks doctor. I thought the emojis might be a clue. Cricket is far more important
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
I think you are getting yourself worked up over not much here. Excess deaths are unequivocal proof that Covid is taking people early. The numbers are broadly in line, so its' just reality. How much life people are losing is a fair question, as the vast majority of deaths are elderly, ill & obese.
Not today but mate I will be asking you to explain that, honestly I don't understand the link you described. But I do have a cunning plan. I call it an "excess death" vaccine.😂
Seriously, I'd like some explanation of what you raised, at a later date. Cheers rage.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew but a car accident death within 28 days is still a covid death? What about a suicide? Or a murder? (I can feel my blood pressure rising....🙂).
I don't expect you to look that up mate. I got a big night in front of the tele, best to leave it there😁
I think you are getting yourself worked up over not much here. Excess deaths are unequivocal proof that Covid is taking people early. The numbers are broadly in line, so its' just reality. How much life people are losing is a fair question, as the vast majority of deaths are elderly, ill & obese.
I don't know, mate. Have you ruled out a spate of people being hit by buses? The same group of people would be slower to get out of the way
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This is Coronavirus Comedy Gold...
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
This is Coronavirus Comedy Gold...
Classic FM respond
Welsh Labour Government a bunch of chicken shitted irresponsible amateurs
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Think we’ll see far less compliance based on The Hancock Affair.
Only have to say sorry now and it’s all good.