Coronavirus - UK
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
The NHS should have it FFS
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
The NHS should have it FFS
Passport, bingoYeah, between National Insurance, Post Code & last name, that should be plenty.
Although to me this seems more like the sort of crap which isn't really a big deal but the sort of thing which Morgan, Jones & co like to use to blow up about the incompetence of the Government. But of course, nothing to do with the utter perfection that is the "under funded" NHS.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Not entirely sure how it works,
Four over-80's in the extended family and one nurse have had the shot. Pretty sure they were given a letter and then a card with details/date of the jab when they actually got it.
So. Foolproof. Except....
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
Fuck I'd have no idea what mine is. On my payslip right? Which I have no idea how to access at the moment. Haven't been to a doctor or received any letters in years. I think I had an old blue and red card somewhere?
Payslip would be your NI number which is different. The blue and red card would be the thing.
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Yeah it really should be quite simple, but as I said earlier whilst it is possible for the NHS staff to find the NHS number, this is a time thing. Not an issue as a one off but when you are trying to get hundreds or thousands (hopefully) through the door, it does become an issue.
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https://unherd.com/2021/01/who-are-covids-guilty-men/
As the Atlantic journalist Tom McTague observed back in August, the entire British state has been found wanting, as this country “has found a way to be simultaneously overcentralized and weak at its centre”. The problem is not just the Conservative Government, though that has failed entirely: it is the entire superstructure around it, the Civil Service, Public Health England, the media. The British state and its parasitic para-state are both entirely unfit for purpose.
It is the very malaise identified by the pantomime villain of our expert class, Dominic Cummings, when he said, back in 2014: “We do not have a problem with ‘too much cynicism’ — we have a problem with too much trust in people and institutions that are not fit to control so much. When faced with the ‘fog of war’ in nonlinear systems such as the financial system, disease outbreaks, or terrorism, the current system is absolutely bound to respond with sloth/panic, chaos, and blunders.” Working within the heart of the British state, Cummings identified its fatal flaws long ago — so it is no wonder that the para-state’s immune system, the Westminster lobby, spat him out as a threat to its continued survival.
It is unfortunate that his suggestions for its reform suffer from what the writer Paul Kingsnorth identified in his essay on the scythe as an ingrained tendency to hope for technological quick fixes instead of simple, timeworn solutions. Surrounded by hapless administrators, Cummings identified the over-powerful yet ineffective state bureaucracy as the problem, and markets and Big Tech as the solution.
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Brutal:
The primary function, and duty, of the state is to keep the people safe; all authority flows from this compact with the nation. Yet instead of Hobbes’ Leviathan, the modern British state resembles a giant tutting HR administrator looming over the country, cautioning that decisive action is impossible: borders can’t be policed; volunteers can’t administer vaccines to those at risk, without an official certificate of correct opinions; the Army can’t be brought in; even if they can do it in other countries, we couldn’t possibly adopt such radical solutions here.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Not entirely sure how it works,
Four over-80's in the extended family and one nurse have had the shot. Pretty sure they were given a letter and then a card with details/date of the jab when they actually got it.
So. Foolproof. Except....
Turning on a light switch is pretty foolproof. But some people would struggle.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Hearing that the biggest at the coalface bottleneck in providing the vaccine is people not knowing their own NHS number.
FFS what is wrong with people?
Fuck I'd have no idea what mine is. On my payslip right? Which I have no idea how to access at the moment. Haven't been to a doctor or received any letters in years. I think I had an old blue and red card somewhere?
One on payslip is NI number. Not NHS.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Yeah it really should be quite simple, but as I said earlier whilst it is possible for the NHS staff to find the NHS number, this is a time thing. Not an issue as a one off but when you are trying to get hundreds or thousands (hopefully) through the door, it does become an issue.
Mrs. Pakman says that in her hub there is quite a lot of checking at the booking stage. Long story short, if you've got a booking it will allow you to get a jab, even though recipients are requested to bring letter and card.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - UK:
Brutal:
The primary function, and duty, of the state is to keep the people safe; all authority flows from this compact with the nation. Yet instead of Hobbes’ Leviathan, the modern British state resembles a giant tutting HR administrator looming over the country, cautioning that decisive action is impossible: borders can’t be policed; volunteers can’t administer vaccines to those at risk, without an official certificate of correct opinions; the Army can’t be brought in; even if they can do it in other countries, we couldn’t possibly adopt such radical solutions here.
The civil service has had a blow out in total remuneration in last 20 years. Trouble is that comparisons with private sector are spurious when there is no accountability. Meanwhile, efficiency if anything has dived (hard to know how good at beginning!).
Serous reform long overdue.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Yeah it really should be quite simple, but as I said earlier whilst it is possible for the NHS staff to find the NHS number, this is a time thing. Not an issue as a one off but when you are trying to get hundreds or thousands (hopefully) through the door, it does become an issue.
Poss. a minor issue compared to France and it's vaccination program which goes like this:
- You have an appointment with a GP to see if you are healthy enough for a jab
- You then fill in a 43 page consent form
- There's then a 4-5 day cooling off period where you can change your mind before you get the jab.
Just over 500 people vaccinated in the first 2 weeks of their roll-out. Brilliant.
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@Victor-Meldrew That is an awesome level of ineptitude. Chapeau, mes amis Francais. Chapeau!
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew That is an awesome level of ineptitude. Chapeau, mes amis Francais. Chapeau!
Been reading Bild & Der Spiegel on Germany's problems as well. Merkel handed over the vaccination to the EU Commission who then royally fucked up. EU turned down millions of doses of The Pfizer & Oxford vaccines and went for broke on a French vaccine which didn't come thru. All in the name of "EU solidarity".
From what I've been reading, there's real & deep anger in Germany at Merkel for putting politics ahead of people's actual lives
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew That is an awesome level of ineptitude. Chapeau, mes amis Francais. Chapeau!
Been reading Bild & Der Spiegel on Germany's problems as well. Merkel handed over the vaccination to the EU Commission who then royally fucked up. EU turned down millions of doses of The Pfizer & Oxford vaccines and went for broke on a French vaccine which didn't come thru. All in the name of "EU solidarity".
From what I've been reading, there's real & deep anger in Germany at Merkel for putting politics ahead of people's actual lives
Just reading about this in Torygraph. Germans labelling it a Katastrophe! And speaking of verzfeiflung (desperation).
AEP says delays in vaccination will lead to lockdown for longer, with emergency Euro budget strained to breaking.
I'd feel schadenfreude, but people's lives are involved!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Yeah it really should be quite simple, but as I said earlier whilst it is possible for the NHS staff to find the NHS number, this is a time thing. Not an issue as a one off but when you are trying to get hundreds or thousands (hopefully) through the door, it does become an issue.
Poss. a minor issue compared to France and it's vaccination program which goes like this:
- You have an appointment with a GP to see if you are healthy enough for a jab
- You then fill in a 43 page consent form
- There's then a 4-5 day cooling off period where you can change your mind before you get the jab.
Just over 500 people vaccinated in the first 2 weeks of their roll-out. Brilliant.
French minister noted that it is easier to buy a car!