Chiefs v Crusaders



  • @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Crucial like a pay money fine.

    woosh?



  • @nzzp honestly have no idea on this site sometimes.



  • @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones when have I steered you wrong?

    In this thread!

    @No-Quarter yeah I posted up the law. Refs ruling it like forward pass when it's different.

    Sorry I missed that. Yup amateur hour.

    Crusaders too good in the end, but that kind of decision is similar to what drives people crazy when it happens to their team against the ABs. You just can't afford really basic mistakes like that going against you if you want to have a chance, especially when it directly leads to a try.

    Also brings into question the supposed intentional knock on by Stevenson. His hand was facing backwards...

    No downwards fair call Yc

    Any chance you can explain where to find the law about downwards?

    palm facing the ground on contact In front of your
    body is a knock down not back wards
    If he had attempted to knock it upwards to retain
    The ball fair enough but he didn’t
    So he knocked it downwards so penalty
    I suppose it cost the chiefs the game well
    no it didn’t
    So who cares

    Ignoring that he attempted to catch and not knock it down - I see you unskilfully avoided answering the question. Show me the law where it's a penalty for knocking the ball down.

    Crusaders 32 Chiefs 19
    5 tries to 1
    Thanks for coming

    Haha I figured you were talking out your arse.

    You would know with you being an expert on Arse talk

    Oooh an expert! You charmer you.

    Just never stop making up imaginary laws ok, it's hilarious.

    As long as it amusing you what more can we ask for
    It was a YC game over sorry AT



  • @Chris what is AT?



  • @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris what is AT?

    Arse Talk



  • @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris what is AT?

    Arse Talk

    So sweet. What makes you think I'm offended by the crusaders winning?



  • @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Chris what is AT?

    Arse Talk

    So sweet. What makes you think I'm offended by the crusaders winning?

    I don’t think that not at all



  • @booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    A couple of things re Reffing decisions.

    Absolute blatant howler for the Strange/Reece try. But the big calls for me were kind of split.

    Weber should have got a card for the push in the air.

    Apply the same logic about knock on/lost forward to the Chief's try and scrutinise that and see if you'd award it.

    Stevenson definite YC.

    Moaning both ways is appropriate.

    Yep. Add to that Cruden coming straight in the side and winning the turnover on the line after the Jordan run and the questionable timing of the Crusaders player cleaning out the halfback when they were hard on attack in the last few minutes. O’thief is way out of his depth.



  • @Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    Security Guard enjoying his work

    2d2ccf88-5097-4c5c-aa8d-ecba9b5f6e30-image.png ![0_1596332119660_9f66b6bd-a5c6-4477-b579-c67553818b76-image.png](Uploading 100%)

    Im going to need to see another camera angle of this incident to make up my mind.



  • @Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
    

    Worth re qoting

    Where is that from? The official laws just says this:

    A knock-­on may occur anywhere in the playing area.

    It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).

    A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
    It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
    The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:

    -A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).

    -A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.

    A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
    A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.

    https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2020_EN.pdf Page 60

    Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
    Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.

    It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”



  • @pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    Security Guard enjoying his work

    2d2ccf88-5097-4c5c-aa8d-ecba9b5f6e30-image.png ![0_1596332119660_9f66b6bd-a5c6-4477-b579-c67553818b76-image.png](Uploading 100%)

    Im going to need to see another camera angle of this incident to make up my mind.

    Pretty sure I can see contact with the line.

    But slo mo always helps to be sure there's not a hand underneath.



  • @pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
    

    Worth re qoting

    Where is that from? The official laws just says this:

    A knock-­on may occur anywhere in the playing area.

    It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).

    A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
    It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
    The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:

    -A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).

    -A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.

    A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
    A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.

    https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2020_EN.pdf Page 60

    Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
    Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.

    It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”

    The definitions section of the laws clarifies.
    Forward: Towards the opposition’s dead-ball line.





  • @pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
    

    Worth re qoting

    Where is that from? The official laws just says this:

    A knock-­on may occur anywhere in the playing area.

    It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).

    A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
    It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
    The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:

    -A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).

    -A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.

    A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
    A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.

    https://laws.worldrugby.org/downloads/World_Rugby_Laws_2020_EN.pdf Page 60

    Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
    Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.

    It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”

    "Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it."

    'Loses possession' defines that we are not talking about a pass, where passing back means hands moving backwards as ball released.

    Whereas the reffing team forgot the distinction.



  • @gt12 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    https://preview.redd.it/pny1b2im29lz.gif?format=mp4&s=23e3f8eb5807ccf80ef77967a326f599df14f835

    Ok? Not OK?

    He hit the ball forward with his hand or arm (= not a pass) on the 22 and the catcher was 5m in front.

    Knock on.

    P.S. Very good example.



  • @pakman

    That was called back.



  • @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Machpants Lisa Fucking Lewis. She must be bored or maybe her publicity is down. She didn't even make it to the touch line before she got tackled.

    Still more barn storming than any Owen Franks run



  • @gt12 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @pakman

    That was called back.

    Do you mean no try?



  • @pakman

    I'm pretty sure they scored after that and it was disallowed on review.



  • in that 3 seconds, I reckon the first pass was forward anyway, as was the last one as his hands didnt pass the ball 'back' (I would need 1001 replays from numerous angles and to discuss with Marshall first though)



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @mariner4life said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    One point from my perspective.

    Mounga and Jordan the most dangerous players on the park, looking like top level players.

    While our starting all black wingers just look average.

    And for all our talk of midfield depth, the guys most likely to start the first test aren't showing much.

    Okay 2 points.

    I would actually consider Jordan to play right wing

    Agree, a back three of Rieko, Jordie and Jordan is looking our best bet at this stage (IMO)



  • @No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @mariner4life said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    One point from my perspective.

    Mounga and Jordan the most dangerous players on the park, looking like top level players.

    While our starting all black wingers just look average.

    And for all our talk of midfield depth, the guys most likely to start the first test aren't showing much.

    Okay 2 points.

    I would actually consider Jordan to play right wing

    Agree, a back three of Rieko, Jordie and Jordan is looking our best bet at this stage (IMO)

    Be interesting to see if his mentioned defence deficiencies can be ironed out in the ABs.


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