Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
But the same could be said for mounga .
It’s either rm 10 bb 15 , or bb10 jb 15 ,
I think we will get complaints either way
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
I don't recall many instances where Carter played in an AB game on the back foot
Pretty handy forward pack he had most of the time. But generally speaking he could also assist with that by making the right play and getting them moving again if it was a tough day at the office. -
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
Foster on that 'we had to lose a lose forward' why? Didn't work last time, didn't work this time. Lose a winger
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
Foster on that 'we had to lose a lose forward' why? Didn't work last time, didn't work this time. Lose a winger
Reece wasn't doing a lot.
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@Machpants always seems the option to lose a loose forward, yet you are depowering your scrum by doing it that way, often negating the point of retaining a full backline
Whereas taking a loosie off unbalances your D, takes out a player who does alot of tackling, carrying, cleaning, well a shit load more than a winger.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@mofitzy_ said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bovidae
It's strange, obviously they feel 6 is the least important player on the field but this is the second time they've subbed off a 6 after a red and lost.Taking off your blindside seems to be the done thing when you lose a prop. Dunno why - but when your skipper is 7 and your 8 is one of the more effective ball runners you have (Savea was making yards in contact all night after Swinton went off).
Or when you lose your 12 apparently...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Feel sorry for Jordan
He has a history of concussions. Hope he’s ok
Seemed like a nothing tackle as well
Head on the wrong side
Without having watched the replay it looked like Jordan was accidentally kicked in the head as he made that tackle.
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@taniwharugby True and Ardie is quick enough to play wing anyway if they felt they needed to use a winger on certain plays.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
I don't recall many instances where Carter played in an AB game on the back foot
Pretty handy forward pack he had most of the time. But generally speaking he could also assist with that by making the right play and getting them moving again if it was a tough day at the office.You are right, especially against Australia, but there were plenty of games against the likes of England, France sa , where it was more 50 50, I guess the main point was he tended to look unflappable more often than most , well probably more than anyone else we have had anyway .
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Match report from ground zero.
So seats were awesome. First allocation we got was on the try line. Emailed and enquired about anything better and got reissued on the 10. Much pleased.
Stadium brilliant. All seats looked to have a good view. Pretty easy to get around prior to kick off. No queue for food (only bought two cartons of chops - reckon they might have only charged for one as it only cost $6), and three people for beer. (Two XXXX Golds and two Bundy & cokes go Mrs Boo- one of which I ended up drinking - $38. Was sufficient to see us through the game remaining compos mentis with no need to get out for comfort stops.)
Surprised at the access to around and from the Stadium. Lots of road closures and diversion and rat runs. I don't recall even Eden Park being that level of disorganised outside the ground.
Crowd atmosphere was pretty much the best I've experienced. Seemed at least 50/50. Not a bad size either but enough gaps to make moving easy enough. Good natured, despite the niggly game , and both sides had reason to cheer.
But the incessant bloody music! First time I've been to a game for five years and I don't recall it being that bad last time.
I also don't recall buying tickets to a disco.
Several times there was good lead up work, crowd getting into it, maybe a kick to a corner with attacking lineout (one team or the other) and then DOOF DOOF DOOF. Way to kill an atmosphere. Or they're still blasting out some tune 10secs (a long time in sport) after kick-off.
Some of it was good. The rest of it just drowned out the atmosphere.
But enough of that rant.
On to the game. I'm not very good at remembering the intricacies of a game at the best of times, so the following are just general observations.
I did start browsing the match thread last night, got about as far as half-time so will be an interesting exercise to see if my opinions match with the general feel of TSF.
I'm over us giving away penalties. The Wobs first try came from a penalty that gave up possession and territory, after that all they needed was a lucky bounce and presto! Five points.
Bigger discussion point here but I am beginning to think the desperate need to retain possession is not balanced by the consequence of a penalty.
Will need to watch the recording but thought Ofa's red was deserved. First viewing from the stand looked ok but the shots from the reverse looked bad. Quick peruse of the forum suggests there may have been mitigations that weren't fully factored. Will have to check.
Shame they had to drag Akira. Looked like he'd been going well.
Missed the Swinton red live but lucky it was only a red.
Game didn't have a lot of shape from my viewing, especially after the cards.
Not sure about the obsession with the rolling maul just prior to half-time. Wondered if we shouldn't have had a crack wider.
Thought we missed a couple of chances on the outside, particularly in the second half. I think ALB went himself once, and Jordie could have passed to Rioane once. Maybe not full on overlaps but felt there was some space out there.
Beaudie put in a couple of awful kicks.
As Jordie was calling for the quick throw in from Reece I could see Wellington all over again. Came close.
Reece wasn't up to much.
Not a fan of SB, don't see him adding much.
Maybe we made a few too many changes?
We need to clone Aaron Smith ASAP, or find a different way to play.
More thoughts on the thread as they come.
Am now one and one for tests attended at Suncorp.
All up a great day apart from the result. Will be back again. Maybe not this package - will take a chance of purchasing tickets, and do a cheaper hotel.
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Cue Fox Sports saying new dawn for Aus rugby and the ABs are poo. Ugh. Can't wait till we sign with 9.
Didn't watch this live and surprised we won - that AB team looked really strong on paper. It's good to know that if the ABs lost their two best halves they'd be in as much strife as Aus are (how fugn bad were TJP and BB?).
How on earth does JBar keep getting picked? I mentioned on here ages ago that i'd never seen him have a good game and got ripped into. He's basically a poor man's Reece Hodge. Long may his tenured selection continue.
