Windows 10

taniwharugby

Free upgrade...
 
So is it free or not, heard varying stories, and is it worth it (as in the upgrade in software, not the cost)

Godder

It's free if you have Windows 7 or 8. I've read reasonably good reviews, but waiting till the first bugs are fixed isn't a bad idea.

NTA

Got my notebook (Win8.1) set up with all the development shit I need right now. Not going to move until I'm on leave and not required to deploy anything. 
But I've heard good things, particularly for older PCs - in terms of asked and stability

No Quarter

I've heard good things from the Tekkys at work, sounds like it's worth upgrading.

taniwharugby

I have 8.1 I think, it keeps asking me to upgrade....fairly new laptop, only about 6 months old.

canefan

I hope it helps speed up outlook because on my laptop it farken sucks. Probably won't though. I'm sure it's not my imagination that despite not running more and more programmes my laptop does things slower and slower

NTA

Windows Update can have that affect canefan - more patches, security, registry etc. Stuff just gets slower over time unfortunately.
 
But fuck Outlook. Moving to gmail is the best thing our work ever did.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="506986" data-time="1439106308">Windows Update can have that affect canefan - more patches, security, registry etc. Stuff just gets slower over time unfortunately. 
 
But fuck Outlook. Moving to gmail is the best thing our work ever did.</blockquote>I already use it and just started using the calendar app too. Might be time

Chris B.

As I've noted here before, I bought a laptop a year ago with Windows 8.1 and I dislike it so much that I've largely continued using my old XP desktop.
 
I occasionally open up the laptop to update itself and download email - but, it hasn't really grown on me. It seems to spend a great deal of time off doing things for itself and without telling me what it is doing.
 
Last week I was in Auckland airport working on it - got a boarding call so had to shut it down - and, instead of shutting down, the fucking thing started downloading updates with a message not to turn it off until these were complete - and then ticked on for ten minutes. Why the fuck wouldn't Microsoft give you the option of deferring downloading these till a later date (maybe they do, but it's far from obvious).
 
As NTA notes above - long experience tells me the more shit that gets downloaded the more it sabotages performance. Why doesn't this fucking thing give me the option of choosing what and when to download - or at least tell me what it's doing?
 
Basically, it seems to have been designed in the spirit of that absolute w@nker Nick "I know best" Smith.
 
Is Windows 10 any better?

canefan

I agree. I farken hate W8

Bones

Windows 10 seems good so far. Upgraded my home PC from 8.1 but I hardly do anything on it, mainly just used as a media server at the moment. Quicker and definitely easier to use, start menu looks good. 
As an aside, had my first go with a windows phone yesterday...could they make it any less intuitive? What a fucking nightmare to use or try change any simple configuration.

taniwharugby

W8 was/is an abortion, 8.1 is a wee bit better, so I guess 10 cant be any worse, surely?

canefan

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Windows 10 seems good so far. Upgraded my home PC from 8.1 but I hardly do anything on it, mainly just used as a media server at the moment. Quicker and definitely easier to use, start menu looks good. 
As an aside, had my first go with a windows phone yesterday...could they make it any less intuitive? What a fucking nightmare to use or try change any simple configuration.
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Might upgrade my W8 machine then, can't get any worse. I particularly love when I'm on the treadmill watching a show and the laptop decides it's time to restart for an update and there is no postpone button...

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="507342" data-time="1439199158">Might upgrade my W8 machine then, can't get any worse. I particularly love when I'm on the treadmill watching a show and the laptop decides it's time to restart for an update and there is no postpone button...</blockquote> You can address that currently... <img src="http://i.imgur.com/LIx0Ltp.png" alt="LIx0Ltp.png">

canefan

Too late, W8 is gooone

No Quarter

You guys are hillarious. Chris B your post made me laugh :) 
For windows updates you can set your Laptop to prompt you when there are updates to download and install, instead of doing it automatically. Just google instructions for your version of Windows. 
Take the plunge TR, Windows 10 is far better by all accounts, and gives a good improvement in performance. 
I don't mind 8.1 myself, took a little while to figure out but once you know where to find all the settings it's workable. Installing classic shell so you get your start menu back helps too.

Chris B.

I've no doubt that you can set up windows 8.1 to be entirely reasonable - but the default settings are of an "I know best" arrogant bastard who I don't want to work with as much as smack in the face.
 
Overall, it reflects my view of the popular rumour that Microsoft hires the best hackers to develop their programmes. If true, the people developing Microsoft software are people high on my list of fuckers deserving slow and painful execution - if I ever meet an MS employee I'm inclined to smack him or her in the face on suspicion! 
 
Fuck you, Microsoft!

Tim

Ah, old people and computers. It's funny until they get a root-kit.

NTA

Windows 7 was the best thing since XP came along, and I had trouble getting happy with Win8.1 but had no choice as it was the only OS available when I bought a few months back.
 
So when I'm on leave in a few weeks, hopefully I'll have the go-ahead from MS to install 10, and I can swear at it for a few days before I need it for work.

Hooroo

Genuine question.
 
Does Apple stuff have to worry about this? All our gear at home is Apple. iMac I think it is called (a desk top in anycase) two ipads and a couple of iphones.
 
Is this the equivelent of going to IOS8 or whatever? I can't ever remember upgrading the desktop like I do with phone and ipads

JC

An iMac with a recent version of OS X will keep itself up to date in terms of apps bought through the Apple app store, and incremental updates. You can control how it does it just like Win8.1 can, but you do it through
 
System Preferences > App Store:
 
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then select the options you want. By default they're all selected:
 
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In practice it's very similar to how Windows does it.

Hooroo

Sweet! Thanks

JC

Just to be clear though Hooroo, the Mac won't upgrade to an entire new OS version without you asking it to. Only the updates within any particular version are automated.

dogmeat

So far Windows 10 seems a significant improvement.
 
Its a far more intuitive interface and lets you choose which shell you are most comfortable with.
 
Like all the best MS upgrades it has "adopted' some of the look and feel of its competitors best features, but that's what they all do.
 
I'm definitely old (at least compared to the majority of you young whippersnappers) but I find it easy to navigate, but then I managed W8 OK too

canefan

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So far Windows 10 seems a significant improvement.
 
Its a far more intuitive interface and lets you choose which shell you are most comfortable with.
 
Like all the best MS upgrades it has "adopted' some of the look and feel of its competitors best features, but that's what they all do.
 
I'm definitely old (at least compared to the majority of you young whippersnappers) but I find it easy to navigate, but then I managed W8 OK too
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Have you used 7? Is it as good or better than that?

dogmeat

Different - early days not worse

canefan

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Different - early days not worse
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Think I'll leave my W7 machine and upgrade my W8 first

NTA

Well, the day is here - Win10 is finally ready to update.
 
But like I said: I'm in the middle of a shitload of work so FUCK that guy.

Baron Silas Greenback

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I've no doubt that you can set up windows 8.1 to be entirely reasonable - but the default settings are of an "I know best" arrogant bastard who I don't want to work with as much as smack in the face.
 
Overall, it reflects my view of the popular rumour that Microsoft hires the best hackers to develop their programmes. If true, the people developing Microsoft software are people high on my list of fuckers deserving slow and painful execution - if I ever meet an MS employee I'm inclined to smack him or her in the face on suspicion! :)
 
Fuck you, Microsoft!
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I used to work for Microsoft.
 
So go fuck yourself, personally I want to punch the retarded spastics who think that developing enterprise level systems and OP's that cater for the vast majority of corporate systems ... whilst keeping them secure is some sort of easy task. Microsoft don't have the luxury of Android and Apple of knowing that hackers just generally just cannot bothered hacking them... juicier and more rewarding targets abound.
 
Generally the usual suspects who whine and bitch about Microsoft products are Apple and Android fan boys who just dont have the first fucking clue.. and dont even realise they are fan boys, yet still seem to think that Google and Apple are little boutique companies fighting against the big baddies.
Microsoft has hacker challenges that Apple and Android will likely never face, mainly as the systems they run are actually worth hacking.
 
Android is particularly bad, anyone that defends Android as either safe or reliable.. let alone easily upgradeable... is a twat. Android is cheap... Android might rationally considered to be simple to operate by some... but safe and reliable.. no way.
I like Apple as company, even own shares in them, they are genius.. not so much at technology.. but the marketing is genius. 
 
I currently write Apps for all 3 platforms at once... using Xamarin forms. And without any doubt in my mind the best is Windows phone.. except some glaring holes around blue tooth and some other stuff. But in ease of development, stability of platform and general common sense.. it is MILES ahead. Then Apple.. and Android.. well fuck Android.. (I do like Intents though.. tidy).
 
As for security... Windows again is waaaaaaaay ahead. Android is to open, Apple is to closed.. and you need to be a clever bastard to figure how to change that. Windows.... not so much.
 
I am not sure what will happen in the next 3-5 years.. but I think Unified apps of Windows 10 is potentially a game changer. Add the fact that those universal apps will not only run on Phones, Tablets, Xbox and PC's and Hololens .. and also potentially easily port over Android and Apple Apps... this could be massive. And that ignores dev companies like Xamarin that make writing apps for Windows, Apple and Android at the same time.. and things might change.. and change fast.
 
Currently it is the supply of Wndows phones in NZ that is the issue, my company wanted to use them, we couldn't get enough high spec ones, so went with an Android version, the telco's just don't push them at all.
 
Surface 3 has already made significant corporate inroads. It is a beauty.
 
P.S Go fuck yourself Bar :)

Baron Silas Greenback

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Windows 10 seems good so far. Upgraded my home PC from 8.1 but I hardly do anything on it, mainly just used as a media server at the moment. Quicker and definitely easier to use, start menu looks good. 
As an aside, had my first go with a windows phone yesterday...could they make it any less intuitive? What a fucking nightmare to use or try change any simple configuration.
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Not intuitive? Meaning you have used a previous phone and after one day with a different phone you don't know it as well as the one you had for years?
After using all 3 brands to a quite in depth level, I think they are all pretty intuitive. Takes time with all of them, especially if you are swapping smartphone for smartphone.

NTA

Microsoft's push for Windows 10 could be the missing link for their mobile suite. But they're way behind at this point so it will need to be a compelling argument. 
I've been a supporter of Windows since XP, excluding the abortion that was Vista. 
The vendor whose API product we're using all have Macbooks. I asked why not a single one of them had Windows: "couldn't get the tools we need to work" so I set about proving them wrong. Then i took the time to show off the features and software I had access to under Windows, that no one would bother developing for Apple.

Chris B.

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P.S Go fuck yourself Bar :)
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Yeah - Bar can go fuck himself! :)
 
You can too! :)
 
If you worked for Microsoft - are you an ex-hacker? If so, I may have to come to one of these Fern reunions just to fuck you up. Are you as big as Hooroo claims to be? If so, I might have to bring a baseball bat.
 
Now seriously - what the fuck is it with Microsoft? They release software that does EXACTLY the same fucking thing - but, they rename the commands and hide them in different fucking places - and claim that's a revolution. It is just a monopoly exercising their c*ntishness. So fuck them.
 
I do not give a flying fuck about Apple and Android - I have neither - especially after I lost my phone in Singapore Airport last week.
 
I am someone who has to run my own business using Microsoft software and every time they change it they are sabotaging me for minor gains to me but to maximise their own profit. 
 
Yes - I can doubtless run all of them - but, it's costing me money - at both ends.

Bones

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="507823" data-time="1439372548">Not intuitive? Meaning you have used a previous phone and after one day with a different phone you don't know it as well as the one you had for years? 
After using all 3 brands to a quite in depth level, I think they are all pretty intuitive. Takes time with all of them, especially if you are swapping smartphone for smartphone.</blockquote>
Nah meaning all I wanted to do was figure out why WhatsApp wasn't notifying and turn that on. What a nightmare process.

Hooroo

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Yeah - Bar can go fuck himself! :)
 
You can too! :)
 
If you worked for Microsoft - are you an ex-hacker? If so, I may have to come to one of these Fern reunions just to fuck you up. Are you as big as Hooroo claims to be? If so, I might have to bring a baseball bat.
 
Now seriously - what the fuck is it with Microsoft? They release software that does EXACTLY the same fucking thing - but, they rename the commands and hide them in different fucking places - and claim that's a revolution. It is just a monopoly exercising their c*ntishness. So fuck them.
 
I do not give a flying fuck about Apple and Android - I have neither - especially after I lost my phone in Singapore Airport last week.
 
I am someone who has to run my own business using Microsoft software and every time they change it they are sabotaging me for minor gains to me but to maximise their own profit. 
 
Yes - I can doubtless run all of them - but, it's costing me money - at both ends.
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Big difference between big and fat..... you'd just need a chicken wing to take me down!
 
BSG on the otherhand, that is a different story....

Chris B.

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Ah, old people and computers....
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Hooroo - if he's too big I'll run the fecker down with my mobility scooter and beat what's left with my walking stick.

Kirwan

Windows 10 has been good. I preferred 7, and downgraded from 8 to use it as my daily driver.
 
This has the best bits of 7 and 8, and incredibly the required specs to run is the same as 7. That is a serious achievement, and means there is no reason not to upgrade, even if your computers is 6/7 years old. 
 
The upgrade was painless (its best to wait until it prompts you to upgrade, that means your PC is less likely to have issues). Only thing I had to re-install was some work related software. 
 
Now that's windows as a service, it's worth getting the free upgrade (you have a year) and getting improvements as they come out. Last "big" release of windows.

NTA

Any dev software in that list?

Baron Silas Greenback

Don't worry Chris. I am a measly 5'10 and 80kgs. I do fight dirty though.

Kirwan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="508201" data-time="1439537487">Any dev software in that list?</blockquote>
 
Sorry what list? You mean the upgrade matrix they are using to stagger the release? 
I don't think that is documented, but I've found the backwards compatibility is great. I had to reinstall the JRE I was using to get an eclipse based tool working properly. 
But really, I just want to talk to my computer:)

NTA

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 I had to reinstall the JRE I was using to get an eclipse based tool working properly 

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That kind of list - thanks. I only have a few things poking around that are either windows-native (SourceTree, Sublime) or ridiculously not Windows (maven, ant, git)
 
Anyway I tried to run the install but it hung on the "preparing" bit :mocking: so I'll give it another crack shortly. 2.7Gb is a little hefty for my poor old third-world DSL2.

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