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@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
So what you are saying is that just because a mob of punks demonstrate or in some instances riot in illegally large numbers
My understanding is that BLM protests were legal regardless of numbers
There is a big difference between a protest and a rally in my opinion. Just like this tangi in Papakura, how do you manage that? Send in the riot squad or the army? The police apparently chose to educate, manage and contain. No point in inflaming an already volatile situation whatever the rights or wrongs
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
So what you are saying is that just because a mob of punks demonstrate or in some instances riot in illegally large numbers
My understanding is that BLM protests were legal regardless of numbers
There is a big difference between a protest and a rally in my opinion. Just like this tangi in Papakura, how do you manage that? Send in the riot squad or the army? The police apparently chose to educate, manage and contain. No point in inflaming an already volatile situation whatever the rights or wrongs
But if a large protest is fine why not a large rally. Or do people meekly submit to silly or inconsistent laws without finding a way around them. Esp with something as important as a US election
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
So what you are saying is that just because a mob of punks demonstrate or in some instances riot in illegally large numbers
My understanding is that BLM protests were legal regardless of numbers
There is a big difference between a protest and a rally in my opinion. Just like this tangi in Papakura, how do you manage that? Send in the riot squad or the army? The police apparently chose to educate, manage and contain. No point in inflaming an already volatile situation whatever the rights or wrongs
But if a large protest is fine why not a large rally. Or do people meekly submit to silly or inconsistent laws without finding a way around them. Esp with something as important as a US election
If you can't see the difference between the two in the pandemic situation they have right now I'm not going to bother trying to explain
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@canefan both large crowds giving the virus maximum potential to spread aren't they?
I'm pretty sure the living infecting virus doesn't discriminate based on the words from a large exposed group of potential hosts.
Either both gatherings are acceptable or they both aren't, in a covid context
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@canefan both large crowds giving the virus maximum potential to spread aren't they?
I'm pretty sure the living infecting virus doesn't discriminate based on the words from a large exposed group of potential hosts.
Either both gatherings are acceptable or they both aren't, in a covid context
Of course, but its not about the virus. Look at the recent covid protest in Auckland as an example. Those people are outraged, so how will they respond if you tell them they can't protest? Like the tangi that broke the rules today, you can either send in the heavies and probably escalate, or educate and contain. They are not reasonable law abiding respectful people. On the other hand you have the highest politician in the land flouting the rules, so what message does that send? If Biden did it I would feel the same way
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@Winger still doesnt detract from the fact Trump, basically flouted the 'rules' to suit his own purpose.
I agree, the rally/protest rules, call it what you will, seem silly, but both being allowed/not allowed isnt really the point IMO, it is the fact the leader continues to divide his nation, at a time when I expect there is massive opportunities for unity!
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger still doesnt detract from the fact Trump, basically flouted the 'rules' to suit his own purpose.
I agree, the rally/protest rules, call it what you will, seem silly, but both being allowed/not allowed isnt really the point IMO, it is the fact the leader continues to divide his nation, at a time when I expect there is massive opportunities for unity!
There's no chance of unity. The divide is too great.
And unity would mean continuing down the path before Trump that lots of voters don't want -
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@kiwiinmelb Hot as hell too!
Trump did an indoor rally in Vegas yesterday. This is illegal under covid restrictions..however as covid restrictions don't apply to BLM protests they've just labelled it a 'peaceful protest'. Hilarious!
Why do you insist on coming here and posting this shit? Your unabashed Trump-love is just plain embarrassing , and it makes your mockery of anything slightly left-leaning laughable.
The fact that you think it is funny that the POTUS does something so irresponsible, something you'd be up in arms about if done by BLM or by any leftist cause (like a Ballarat mum), is just ludicrous.
Oh spare me the 'he killed granma' routine.
It is hilarious that states have made laws banning gatherings unless they are to protest with BLM in which case for some reason Covid doesn't seem to have any effect. Look if they had banned those gatherings too then yeah maybe this wouldn't be funny and I could class it as irresponsible, but the responsibility horse bolted the moment that politicians and media decided that covid had a social conscience when it came to who it infects.
Kind of ironic that you totally missed the point of my post, which wasn't to condemn Trump for "killing granma" so much as to highlight your hypocrisy
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger still doesnt detract from the fact Trump, basically flouted the 'rules' to suit his own purpose.
I agree, the rally/protest rules, call it what you will, seem silly, but both being allowed/not allowed isnt really the point IMO, it is the fact the leader continues to divide his nation, at a time when I expect there is massive opportunities for unity!
There's no chance of unity. The divide is too great.
And unity would mean continuing down the path before Trump that lots of voters don't wantIts not about policy, its about behaving in a manner befitting the President. But I agree unity is a stretch too far with Trump. His behaviour has alienated many, the Dems like Pelosi will refuse to give him an inch, and a sudden change in style would likely be met with suspicion and disbelief
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@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
Oh I don't know. It's convinced me.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
He should go the whole hog and call those who won't vote for him "deplorables". Worked for Hilary.
Trump or Biden. Who'd be an American voter?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
I doubt it will work for Trump this time either.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
I doubt it will work for Trump this time either.
It won't work with Trump. It might (or likely will) work with a weak male but not Trump. He's very effective at countering the mud throwing.
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@Winger name calling? What names did I call him?
Trump the chump is name calling.
I just can't believe people think it is ok for him to behave and act the way he does.
He could still be the bolshy pushy Trump but also lead by example, rather than seemingly sticking it to the man, when essentially he is the man, i am sure there are better ways to approach things than his antagonistic ways.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger name calling? What names did I call him?
Trump the chump is name calling.
I just can't believe people think it is ok for him to behave and act the way he does.
He could still be the bolshy pushy Trump but also lead by example leading by example, rather than seemingly sticking it to the man, when essentially he is the man, i am sure there are better ways to approach things than his antagonistic ways.
Was he triggered by petulant child? Not a name, its a description
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