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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
But from what i read the founding fathers were worried about democracy
Oh I think so, they just didn't use the word.
The logistics of an election back then would have been difficult, to say the least, and they were separate states. They actually did pretty well just to unify them (sort of).
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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
Doing nothing is not economically viable.
The biggest producer of CO2 by far is China. They will do nothing. So without China and India etc (all countries in the world without exception) on board too (and they will never be so stupid to go down this path) it s all pointless
And the fear about only 5 more years has been trumpeted for decades. Still not an issue. But we must act will still be used as many just forget that fear has been used for decades.
And the only reason for all the noise about CO2 is because the elite use it to extract huge amounts of money from the dumb public (often via Govts which send many billions overseas to go god knows where). And Govt use it to justify more tax
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I guess you did not read or are sceptical about https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/china-carbon-neutral-2060-pledge-renewables-technology/12694260
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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
I guess you did not read or are sceptical about https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/china-carbon-neutral-2060-pledge-renewables-technology/12694260
But consider the Chinese electric car market, it is huge.A 2060 pledge is just garbage,. For the gullible West
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
it's not democratic
It's not democratic by design. The discussions at the time were well recorded and there was an effort to limit democracy/mob rule
Similar to how the the Bill of Rights is an explicit list of things the majority can't do to it's fellow citizens (in theory of course, because a sovereign entity can largely do what it wants)
I'm no fan of Chesterton, but this is one of his 'fences'. You need to understand its purpose before tearing it down
@Snowy said in US Politics:
I'm not sure how often they update it but I remember that a vote in Wyoming is worth 4 times as much as 1 in California.
It's a mistake to think of these as electorates - they are states. Most of the governing is meant to happen at a state level.
Centralisation of power and a move away from federalism is the problem, not the electoral college.Californians should be governing Californians.
WyomingansWyomingersWyomingitesPeople from Wyoming should be governing people from WyomingThe Federal government is meant to be in control of a few simple tasks. Various Presisdents have done power grabs off of the states (Wilson, FDR, Eisenhower etc) and no President has given anything back. That is the problem
Californians shouldn't be voting on micro issues about Wyoming and vice versa.
Incidentally that 4 to 1 vote comment tells me that California is too large and could benefit from splitting
On a different but related issue I think the 17th amendment is the cause of a lot of problems. It introduced a more democratic system but resulted in worse government. The motivations of senators changed and it was another blow to federalism
Another point - I remember not too long ago Republicans hated the electoral college and Dems supported it. Why? Because it helped one and not the other. There's not much principled discussion on this.
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@Duluth Yeah I get that. They are states as I have mentioned it several times, but for a federal election it is still done by state and electoral college which is counter intuitve for a "United States" president. That vote should be effectively be for their international leader.
Just a daft sytem to use when, as you say, they are separately governed.@Duluth said in US Politics:
Incidentally that 4 to 1 vote comment tells me that California is too large and could benefit from splitting
Or Wyoming needs a larger population base to make the electoral college representative.
This interesting:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/how-fair-is-the-electoral-college/A state’s electoral votes are equal to the number of representatives and senators the state has in Congress. House seat apportionments are based on population and are reapportioned every decade after the census. Every state is guaranteed at least one seat in the House and two in the Senate.
@Crucial So every decade is the time frame.
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"The biggest producer of CO2 by far is China."
But per head of population it is smaller than the US
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
Just a daft sytem to use when, as you say, they are separately governed.
Less and less every year unfortunately.. which is the cause of a lot of shit
I'd hoped that after 2016 some lefties would rediscover federalism. Remember 'Calexit'? I hoped that would soften into the state reasserting it's power.
It didn't really happen
Instead we have a battle for total control. Cultural colonialism within US borders. It's gross
There's going to be millions of pissed off people after this election. I hope to see more assertive states and maybe some open defiance of unconstitutional federal overreach.
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@nostrildamus Definitley wouldn't call Ms O'Hara a minger.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
I hope to see more assertive states and maybe some open defiance of unconstitutional federal overreach.
Yep. It is too big and diverse to function from a central government and why it was set up that way. The president should only deal with the international affairs, trade, diplomacy, etc. How come we understand this better than...well never mind.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt i can wait, research is against fern policy! 😁 tbh i don't think Biden supporters care anymore about the laptop than trumps do about russia/China etc.
I'm going to check it out later and hope the mute was used well.I know its against fern policy but for posterity's sake I've done a very rough list from some of my news sources, not all, as things have streamed through pretty fast, I read stuff as it came in and not all of these links I've checked out but many I have, try and look at the references to original reporting and sources rather than the editorializing.
Hoping putting this in quotes will stop the auto-embed thing cause that might cause issues....
Evidence of dodgy Biden deals for monetary gain. https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/10/23/267736-n267736 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/leaked-files-show-years-of-hunter-bidens-business-dealings https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-elena-baturina-devon-archer-russian-oligarch-money-launder/ https://medium.com/@the_war_economy/investigation-biden-ukraine-24edb6399989 https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/1319312849320185857 https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/1319280974044131328 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laptop-hunter-biden-linked-fbi-money-laundering-probe https://thepostmillennial.com/emails-reveal-hunter-bidens-associate-had-investment-with-moscow-mayors-wife https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1318368421067837446 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald Ex business partner flipping sharing another huge tranche of emails confirming original accusations and the 'big guy' Joe Biden's involvement. https://thepostmillennial.com/former-hunter-biden-business-associate-says-joe-biden-is-the-big-guy https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1319223988455878659 https://www.wsj.com/articles/now-corruption-story-is-about-joe-not-hunter-11603392288 https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1319424931659194368 https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1319423886262476800?s=28 https://twitter.com/hansmahncke/status/1319707862642425861?s=12 https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-fbi-asks-tony-bobulinski-for-interview-this-morning https://thepostmillennial.com/hunter-bidens-business-partner-asks-him-to-remove-joe-bidens-photo- from-ukraine-energy-firm-website https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1319730738951049217 https://twitter.com/mikeemanuelfox/status/1319280974044131328?s=28 https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318298066219388928 https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/18/exclusive-peter-schweizer-hunter-bidens-flipped-business-partner-provided-26000-emails/ Emails: https://www.scribd.com/document/480513131/11-Re-urgent-issue-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513130/09-Re-urgent-issue-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513126/21-Re-Re-Mexico-trip-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513120/15-Re-Media-reaction-to-PR-on-HB-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513117/08-Fwd-ukraine-2nd-news-bulletin-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513115/04-Tmrw-pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/480513112/01-note-from-Steve-Clemons-confidential-pdf https://twitter.com/MatthewTyrmand/status/1318041774447841281 Hunter now not only a degenerate crack-head but also implicated in potential possession of child-porn at best or at worst involved in such and potentially with a family member. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318698971729137664 https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1319755453677457409 https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1319285251575742465?s=28 https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1318931828481400833 https://twitter.com/zoomerclips/status/1318758645488705536?s=28 https://www.revolver.news/2020/10/hunter-laptop-rudy-giuliani-underage-biden-family-member/ Dem's and much MSM still crying "Muh russia!!!" despite authenticity of details now confirmed from multiple sources including the FBI. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-hunter-biden-laptop-story-is-russian-plan-despite-lack-of-evidence https://streamable.com/v7312w https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-federal-law-enforcement-confirms-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sources-tell-fox-news-fbi-has-possession-of-purported-hunter-biden-laptop https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8861635/FBI-taken-possession-Hunter-Bidens-laptops.html https://t.co/KLwIyvcbzP?amp=1 Other outlets simply choosing (NPR openly) not to cover this. https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/why-big-media-will-never-report-on-hunter-bidens-emails/ https://twitter.com/NBCNewsPR/status/1319348765094969345 Social media still suppressing news and banning those who discuss or share it (NYPost's twitter is still suspended, don't by Jack Dorsey's bullshit policy change), https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1316748407541837825 https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-allows-farrakhan-spencer-dictators-new-york-post-censored https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1318005673272266753 https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1319030379534188544 https://twitter.com/azachparkinson/status/1319686412158095363?s=12 https://twitter.com/emmajonyc/status/1319609837685190656?s=28 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/twitter-facebook-testify-senate-after-election-432048 https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/election-meddling-twitter-locks-account-of-trump-campaign-national-press-secretary-hogan-gidley/ google employees now on hidden camera providing further confirmation of intentional election interference. https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-google-senior-executive-there-are-many-ways-to-influence-elections https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-project-veritas-exposes-google-executive-discussing-censorship-and-election-interference/ https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-project-veritas-exposes-google-manager-admitting-to-election-influence https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1318331575852011520 Previous insiders: https://www.bitchute.com/video/g1VeElBAeas/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/uu5-VQuFU_g/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/rEZtpKZcAwQ/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/tuQBM-Ho_ds/ Suggestions other Dem's implicated including "O" whomever that could possibly be. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts https://twitter.com/WarRoomPandemic/status/1319407926927294467
Some links will be stronger than others and no doubt some or even a lot might in time be proven as 'bunk', but considering the bar for national mass international mainstream media scandal and multimillion dollar investigation has been set as low as "Deranged fan-fiction from anti-Trumper' then this at least is worthy of some attention.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
Centralisation of power and a move away from federalism is the problem, not the electoral college.
That Trump talked about in the debate (re minimum wage). Hes also of the view that abortion should be decided state by state. And the response to covid was left to the states with the central Govt only providing help if needed
Its the same battle re the EU. Where the EU (and the commissioners and President = Govt are appointed not elected so worse than the US) wants to grab more and more power from the democratically elected states
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@Winger said in US Politics:
The video shows so clearly what a complete and utter joke CNN are. When Trump says the FAKE NEWS (mainstream) media... is the enemy of the people he might be on to it
Heres another short video . First hand account whistle blower (tony bodalinkshy). Surely this will finish Joe
That's some rock solid stuff man. I can tell its a big deal, because he did a diagram thingee with the numbers. It was a bit complicated to follow, so I'm really grateful that he drew it out for me.
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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
How is fracking “woke” or “liberal”?
It’s a science/environment issue.
It’s plain it’s not inherently woke or liberal, but anti-fracking is a widely held view by such types.
It’s not purely a science/environment issue: it’s also economic. Most of the glib climate change promises are not economically viable. For them to be so requires technology which currently doesn’t exist. And of course, without China playing ball it’s all rather futile.
At core, Biden is pushing ‘moral’ causes even if the costs fall on the less fortunate.
It’s very decent, but his apparent indifference to the economic impact on the electorate could be costly in the swing states.
I’d much rather socialise with Biden, but I think it’s going to go to the wire.
"Most of the glib climate change promises are not economically viable."
Doing nothing is not economically viable.
"Most induced earthquakes are not directly caused by hydraulic fracturing (fracking). The recent increase in earthquakes in the central United States is primarily caused by disposal of waste fluids that are a byproduct of oil production."Kind of like saying most road fatalities are not directly caused by alcohol but by cars so why not drink and drive?
It's a complicated subject. At root the biggest problem with the most simplistic analyses is that a combination of increasing world population and greater economic prosperity in the third world means the world's energy requirement is set to increase strongly for the foreseeable future. There is simply no way to cope with that while decreasing reliance on hydrocarbon energy sources. The best bet would be nuclear, but that's obviously replete with its own problems.
Most of the carbon zero pledges involve some heroic assumptions, and as @winger has perhaps intimated, ignore the fact that reducing Western emissions whilst exporting manufacturing to Eastern countries ramping up massive amounts of coal production is not really achieving anything.
I'm not well informed on fracking, but somewhat skeptical that a few earthquakes in the middle of no where would be of much concern. Meanwhile, fracking has allowed the US to be oil self sufficient, which was a pretty good place to be when the price was 120 bucks a barrel.
Sensibly the West ought to be levying a steep carbon tax on dirty Eastern manufacturing, but guess what, polls suggest the populace doesn't want to pay the higher prices which would result.
I could go on.
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