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@Siam said in US Politics:
Wanting trump to win is also a reflection of the perceived strengths of that governing party, totally separate to the two leader's personalities.
Very true. A lot of "hold your nose" votes. My parents, for example, can't stand Trump as a person. But they're not going to suddenly vote for a big government politician who's liberal on social issues.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
My take is we have a dearth of objective media coverage on any topic, and a business incentive model that rewards muddling our access to information.
Either man will have a huge mountain to climb. If Trump wins does he continue to stoke the divisions or does he strike a more conciliatory tone? I can't see him taking option B but it is the more prudent one. In Biden's case I can't see him trying to do much, he is the Dem's attempt to unseat Trump, but surely he can't be more than a place sitter until the next election in 4 years when he will almost certainly not run
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@photo-fox said in US Politics:
People need to chill the fuck out.
Bro, please put your hat in the ring for 2024!!
Thanks for the on the ground reporting as well. Has anyone painted cows red or blue in your area? Biden's Bovines? Trump's Texas Longhorns?
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@photo-fox said in US Politics:
@Duluth I'm on a dairy farm in Illinois, but closer to St. Louis than Chicago. Extremely red area in a blue state.
St Louis Blues Fan?
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
My take is we have a dearth of objective media coverage on any topic, and a business incentive model that rewards muddling our access to information.
Either man will have a huge mountain to climb. If Trump wins does he continue to stoke the divisions or does he strike a more conciliatory tone? I can't see him taking option B but it is the more prudent one. In Biden's case I can't see him trying to do much, he is the Dem's attempt to unseat Trump, but surely he can't be more than a place sitter until the next election in 4 years when he will almost certainly not run
Not run? He wonβt be able to fucking walk by then!
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@Siam said in US Politics:
I also think the division continues without trump.
This is it. The media coverage in Australia today will be binary - a Trump win will prompt wailing, gnashing of teeth, cries of 'why?' and 'we're all doomed', while a Biden win will be pure jubilation. But in reality most people couldn't tell you why Biden is better, besides personality.
But I thought Rembrandt made some salient points about what Trump has actually done, and how the doomsaying prophecies have largely come to nothing. Sure he's erratic, and I can't say I'd vote for him. But his track record doesn't scream disaster, especially for us Aussies a million miles away.
Biden may be slightly steadier on foreign policy, but he also might be more hawkish which brings consequences for Aus and NZ.
Regardless of who wins today, the wider problems in the US will remain.
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@barbarian i can definitely agree its about personality as much an anything, looking it the US just seems to extreme in every direction and i think Trump has empowered people to "hate" each other if they disagree about something, to name call and to outright lie to win a point.
I've said before i dont think Biden has the personality to teach people they can disagree without rioting....but id hope he wont make it worse and id be afraid a re elected Trump would feel he could do no wrong and would double down on the childish behaviour
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@photo-fox said in US Politics:
I haven't ventured into this thread in awhile, so my apologies that I'm not going to try to catch up.
I just got home from voting. It's amazing to see the voter turnout, especially given how many early voted. In the county where my parents live, over 20% of registered voters had already voted as of last week. And yet my mom says the polling place she she works is the busiest it's ever been. I'm seeing reports on social of long lines in other rural areas, in places where you never wait.
In these areas, 90% of the votes are going to Trump. There's so much rabid support for him, it's mystifying. But anyway, if it's indicative of the passion of Trump supporters everywhere, I think he's going to win again.
In contrast, there is zero passion for Biden, even among those I know who are voting for him. (And the vast majority wouldn't know Kamala Harris if they met her in the street. She's a non-entity for independent and swing voters.) Admittedly, I live in a very "red" area, but it's not an exaggeration to say that I've seen 1,000 Trump signs for every one for Biden. Even in yards with signs for BLM, or LGBT, or union support, there is almost no visible support for Biden. I think it's really telling.
If Biden wins, it won't be because of anything he has done. It will be solely because he's not Trump. It's insane. I've never seen anyone inspire so much love and hate.
People have lost their damned minds. Is this an important election? Sure, they ALL are. But Trump can't single-handedly destroy democracy any more than Biden can single-handedly take away our personal liberties. People need to chill the fuck out.
Great post mate.
Good to hear from someone on the ground rather than all the self-appointed experts like me.
Can I just ask.....who did you vote for?
I want to know because I want to be able to judge your entire character based on this single decision.
I want to be able to lecture you and tell you what's good for you and you should only listen to MY news sources because they are the truly objective ones.
Cheers.(a non-reply means you voted Biden, which means you're dead to me)
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Has anyone painted cows red or blue in your area? Biden's Bovines? Trump's Texas Longhorns?
No, but my neighborhood is awash in Trump flags. Like, large, permanent flags on 50-foot poles, lit at night. It's so bizarre to me. There's no politician alive or dead who I'm going to honor in that way.
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
St Louis Blues Fan?
Of course! LGB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Much more a Cardinals fan, though. Baseball >>>>>>>>>>>> hockey.
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@photo-fox nice, a mate got me into it middle of last season, he a big Canucs fan, being an otago fan i picked a team wearing Blue and Yellow...we dont talk hockey much anymore
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
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@canefan said in US Politics:
A lot of the time the thread is a Trump echo chamber
There's plenty of anti Trump comments in this thread. It's probably the majority over recent weeks. So definitely not an echo chamber.
I would say there are a handful of pro/anti Trump posters who seem very emotionally invested and lack nuance and self awareness. Certainly not exclusive to one sideThis is true and I think encapsulates how polarising Trump is. There are not many pro-Biden posts. It really is all about Trump.
It's kind of difficult to be pro-Biden but conversely easy to be anti-Trump.
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@photo-fox said in US Politics:
Biden can single-handedly take away our personal liberties.
And yet they are being taken away. Slowly but surely. And always with a good reason of course (like hate speech or this virus). Its a frog in a water approach so lots don't see it
And that's what in large part this election is about. Many believe that Trumps team and his supporters (its never about just one person. Including Trump) will retain our freedoms and liberties. And stop the sellout of the US to other countries with almost slave labor conditions. Biden and his team and supports will do the opposite
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@Winger even you must acknowledge thats a huge over simplification, it also only acknowledges theres only one for of "liberty", i for one think people should be able to walk about freely without worrying (too much) about catching a "potentially" harmful virus or accidentally shot because basic checks we'rent completed or restrictions imposed on the owner
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Winger even you must acknowledge thats a huge over simplification, it also only acknowledges theres only one for of "liberty", i for one think people should be able to walk about freely without worrying (too much) about catching a "potentially" harmful virus or accidentally shot because basic checks we'rent completed or restrictions imposed on the owner
That's where you are wrong....
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