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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
because I think he is being irresponsible for the whole country
Its the opposite. If the republicians have evidence of fraud he needs to voice this straight away. I would expect the democrats to do likewise
What is his evidence?
One (and its serious) is that the checkers weren't allowed to do their job
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I’d be amazed if there hasn’t been fraud of some type. But whether it is coordinated or material enough to invalidate the result isn’t clear. I also don’t know whether there’s much merit in the assumption that the Democrats are more likely to cheat than the Republicans. There are some shifty people on both sides.
You have to wonder what would have happened if the Dems had fielded an inspiring candidate. And also whether the situation would be the same if Trump had taken some advice and tried to reach out to some more moderate swing voters.
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@Winger why does he need to announce it publicly...why not just lodge the legal action...like a profressional
side bar, some of these are genuinely funny
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
because I think he is being irresponsible for the whole country
Its the opposite. If the republicians have evidence of fraud he needs to voice this straight away. I would expect the democrats to do likewise
What is his evidence?
Quite obviously it is impossible for him to lose. That's all the evidence required unless you can point to another reason.
I do agree with @winger in that there is an obligation to fix something wrong but to dive in on a whim when you were quite happy up until the point of losing isn't enough to claim as 'evidence'
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Winger why does he need to announce it publicly...why not just lodge the legal action...like a profressional
side bar, some of these are genuinely funny
To keep the people informed. They have a right to know.
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@chimoaus identity theft/fraud still occurs whether it’s banking, tax etc, but there is a motivation for institutions and law enforcement to follow that up because more likely someone has been disadvantaged or there’s been corruption.
I think with elections and voting it’s a little more challenging because what is the motivation? Especially in countries like the US that don’t have compulsory voting, how can someone verify that the vote has come from a particular individual?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
because I think he is being irresponsible for the whole country
Its the opposite. If the republicians have evidence of fraud he needs to voice this straight away. I would expect the democrats to do likewise
What is his evidence?
One (and its serious) is that the checkers weren't allowed to do their job
That isn't evidence of wrongdoing (as you keep claiming). It is evidence that there was potential for fraud.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
because I think he is being irresponsible for the whole country
Its the opposite. If the republicians have evidence of fraud he needs to voice this straight away. I would expect the democrats to do likewise
What is his evidence?
One (and its serious) is that the checkers weren't allowed to do their job
That isn't evidence of wrongdoing (as you keep claiming). It is evidence that there was potential for fraud.
if you're so paranoid you honestly believe most people are out to cheat you
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I do agree with @winger in that there is an obligation to fix something wrong but to dive in on a whim when you were quite happy up until the point of losing isn't enough to claim as 'evidence'
Trump has bene unhappy withj the mail in for everyone. And I agree. How can this process be managed when dead people are getting ballots. And the postal service is being used. It almost impossible to check and verify this system. I don't think a worse system could be used
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@JC said in US Politics:
I’d be amazed if there hasn’t been fraud of some type. But whether it is coordinated or material enough to invalidate the result isn’t clear. I also don’t know whether there’s much merit in the assumption that the Democrats are more likely to cheat than the Republicans. There are some shifty people on both sides.
You have to wonder what would have happened if the Dems had fielded an inspiring candidate. And also whether the situation would be the same if Trump had taken some advice and tried to reach out to some more moderate swing voters.
I'm fairly sure there have been some well analysed reports over the years of the amount of voting fraud in the US and its material effect. The conclusions were that while elections aren't 100% clean the ability to commit fraud on a scale that would affect a result is very minimal.
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@chimoaus said in US Politics:
Can anyone explain why the US elections are often close to 50/50. It is amazing that a population of 300+ Million can be equally divided. Is it a concern that 160 Million people don't agree with the other 160 Million on a lot of topics?
It's a really good question.
This a reasonably good answer:
I liked this, because it shows that people are willing to change and vote either way, but that would not actually appear to be the case.
"Perhaps the U.S. presidential election is usually close simply because so many Americans are constantly dissatisfied with the status quo."However they have so few one term Presidents overall that I doubt that is it.
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half are one term (23/44) by my debatable arithmetic.
nb am wondering if "only one Nevada away" becomes a catchphrase..
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@Virgil said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Virgil said in US Politics:
Think many are confusing fraud with incompetence.
I think you might be downplaying Trump derangement syndrome. I think there are some people who would do anything to get Trump out.
Plenty would do anything to keep him in, including himself.
Around 49% of voters in fact. This whole conspiracy thing sounds fantastical and ridiculous
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
because I think he is being irresponsible for the whole country
Its the opposite. If the republicians have evidence of fraud he needs to voice this straight away. I would expect the democrats to do likewise
What is his evidence?
Quite obviously it is impossible for him to lose. That's all the evidence required unless you can point to another reason.
I do agree with @winger in that there is an obligation to fix something wrong but to dive in on a whim when you were quite happy up until the point of losing isn't enough to claim as 'evidence'
He was pretty happy with the arrangement when he thought he was going to win....
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@chimoaus said in US Politics:
Can anyone explain why the US elections are often close to 50/50. It is amazing that a population of 300+ Million can be equally divided. Is it a concern that 160 Million people don't agree with the other 160 Million on a lot of topics?
Firstly, children don’t vote 😀
Also not all adults register to vote and whilst and amazing turnout, it looks as if 140-145 million will have voted in 2020.
I don’t think it’s simply a case of because I vote for such and such and my neighbour votes for the other side that we are divided.
Whilst there are some issues that they differ on, there is a lot of common ground with the Dems and Reps.
Also the US two party system is a major factor in why these results sometimes, not always, occur.
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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
half are one term (23/44) by my debatable arithmetic.
Certainly a lot more common in earlier times. I should have clarified that. I meant elected (not VP who took over) and recently - since WW2 seems reasonable, or even the last 100 years. Can't include the assinations and guys that died (although if you can have dead voters a dead President might count).
So just Carter and Bush of the elected guys that didn't take over, get shot, resign, etc. I.E failed to earn a second term?
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