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Looks like a huge win for Brexit party, at the expense of Conservatives and UKIP.
Lib-Dems & Greens improved significantly at the expense of Labour.
Surely this is all the evidence necessary to get a hard Brexit supporter as leader of the Conservatives otherwise they are done.
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Hard to tell what the significance of this vote is when less than 40% of the population voted.
The apathy is astounding.
If that's a 'normal' turnout, and if I were Jeremy Corbyn, I would not be calling for a General Election.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Hard to tell what the significance of this vote is when less than 40% of the population voted.
The apathy is astounding.
If that's a 'normal' turnout, and if I were Jeremy Corbyn, I would not be calling for a General Election.
I can understand the apathy. If we're supposed to be leaving the EU what's the point? There are a lot of people out there that are just sick and tired of the whole circus.
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BBC just interviewed a woman in the 25-35 age range I'm guessing at a car boot sale on Bank Holiday Monday at 8am who with no hint of embarrassment or irony calmly stated she did not know there was an election on.
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@MiketheSnow From what I understand it's not like the MEPs really do bugger all anyway. They get to vote on legislation but not propose it, that is done by the almost faceless European commission who are appointed rather than elected, add in a lot of fluff at huge taxpayers expense and I can see why people don't want to take part.
Big message of this election is that Brexit must happen, Farage was very clever in using UKIP/TR as a human shield from the normal media barbs that would have gone his way. By doing so he's made his party appear as not only legitimate but also popular. (even without policies...) Most UKIP supporters will still get behind him too as there really isn't another option for them no matter what he has said about them.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow From what I understand it's not like the MEPs really do bugger all anyway. They get to vote on legislation but not propose it, that is done by the almost faceless European commission who are appointed rather than elected, add in a lot of fluff at huge taxpayers expense and I can see why people don't want to take part.
Big message of this election is that Brexit must happen, Farage was very clever in using UKIP/TR as a human shield from the normal media barbs that would have gone his way. By doing so he's made his party appear as not only legitimate but also popular. (even without policies...) Most UKIP supporters will still get behind him too as there really isn't another option for them no matter what he has said about them.
Yes. We've been told that if there was a second vote Britain would vote Remain.
Well where were those voters to shut down the BP rise.
Nowhere.
Either they couldn't be bothered or they don't exist.
Either way, the BP can move forwards pretty much untarnished as you stated.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow From what I understand it's not like the MEPs really do bugger all anyway. They get to vote on legislation but not propose it, that is done by the almost faceless European commission who are appointed rather than elected, add in a lot of fluff at huge taxpayers expense and I can see why people don't want to take part.
Big message of this election is that Brexit must happen, Farage was very clever in using UKIP/TR as a human shield from the normal media barbs that would have gone his way. By doing so he's made his party appear as not only legitimate but also popular. (even without policies...) Most UKIP supporters will still get behind him too as there really isn't another option for them no matter what he has said about them.
UKIP snd TR were proven to be irrelevant.
Farage didnt use them. He distanced himself from them for what I see as obvious reasons. He loves a media barb so he can prove it wrong - as he has time and time again.
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@Davesofthunder Yes definitely split but with the Torys in power and what appears to be their vote going to the Brexit party then they must act or fall into irrelevancy. Labour too might come out firmly remain to try and win some support back, my feeling is that they might have more of a worry about Brexit labour supporters plus Corbyn has certainly been anti-EU in his past.
Brexit party did this in only 6 weeks, pretty remarkable result. Maybe they will build from this or maybe internal party politics might undo them. I guess when your party has just the 1 policy then they can stand united easier.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Davesofthunder Yes definitely split but with the Torys in power and what appears to be their vote going to the Brexit party then they must act or fall into irrelevancy. Labour too might come out firmly remain to try and win some support back, my feeling is that they might have more of a worry about Brexit labour supporters plus Corbyn has certainly been anti-EU in his past.
Brexit party did this in only 6 weeks, pretty remarkable result. Maybe they will build from this or maybe internal party politics might undo them. I guess when your party has just the 1 policy then they can stand united easier.
Not a Farage, Brexit Party or Brexit supporter, but what Farage and the Brexit Party have done brilliantly is simplify the MEP vote into one issue.
And many welcomed and endorsed that simplicity.
All the other political parties could learn from that.
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It is a pretty unique set of circumstances and Farage has fully taken advantage of it.
Fair enough, I'm not a fan of the guy though that is pretty irrelevant as plenty of people are.
I see they are now talking about fighting at general elections which would be a much more interesting test of electoral strength when it comes down to policies and not being so much of a protest / frustration/get on with it vote.
I do worry about where this all leads as I'm not sure i can see the divisions from all this healing any time soon.
Just have to see how it plays out.
I look at all the possible next PMs from the Tories and it doesn't fill me with confidence.
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@Davesofthunder I saw him speak a few months back, he has a hell of a presence, genuinely hilarious and incredibly motivating. Not certain how comfortable I am knowing that and seeing how quickly he was able to get a huge amount of representatives and support without policies. I know UKIP isn't most peoples cup-of-tea but I've read and agree with most of their manifesto (as opposed to the media representation of their manifesto) so I at least have an idea what their candidates stand for. I'm concerned the Brexit party might just be a place for professional politicians to pull another pay-check and sing whatever tune will keep them there, principles be damned. It will be very interesting what the Torys do and whether the Brexit party will actually survive Brexit.
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Basically Farage took most of the Ukip vote and got 6% more, which I estimate would be mainly conservative leavers.
Lib Dems took the rest of the conservative remainers snd a lot of Labour.
Not sure which is worse - doing a shit job of Brexit, or having too many splinters in your arse from fence sitting.
It’s easy to see why both sides are claiming some sort of moral victory. But undoubtedly Farage should be smiling widest, which he is. And UKIP should be most upset. The polls show they were a one trick Farage-led pony. If they want to be serious, they’ve got to look at their people and (partially media driven) profile.
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@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
If these losers stop coming that’s a very real upside to Brexit .
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@jegga pretty neat idea though, steal all the expensive stuff that you don't need because the stuff you do need (but aren't buying) is so expensive.
Hipster is as hipster does
That New World has a great Craft Beer selection. I'm amazed they didn't flog any of that
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