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Peter Kellner being interviewed on sky news, regarding Boris polling as the preferred leader amongst conservatives but quite the opposite in the general public.
"I'm tempted to say Boris might be a bit of a marmite figure, but that would be unfair on marmite"
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@MiketheSnow they were showing it on UK tv
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow they were showing it on UK tv
with the quote?
Irony is that Labour demanded he take no further part.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow they were showing it on UK tv
with the quote?
Not sure, had the sound off!
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@Bones said in British Politics:
This has got to be utter bullshit right? I find it very hard to believe these chemicals are only available to counties in the eu.... and therefore can't really buy these figures.
"Earthquake in Peru, Brexit to blame"
The FT's Economic Editor was blaming Brexit for the UK trade deficit last week. Utter bollocks as it was down to fuel prices and he knew it, but still tweeted it anyway.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
This has got to be utter bullshit right? I find it very hard to believe these chemicals are only available to counties in the eu.... and therefore can't really buy these figures.
I'd expect most primary and secondary stages of treatment are generally physical and don't require chemicals at all. Things like settlement and "filtration".
You might use chlorine late in the process, and may use chemicals to thicken the sludge. Energy to pump is required but you're not using chemicals in raw sewage.
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This can’t be good:
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@Bones said in British Politics:
Holy schmokes
Talk about members of that panel being in denial and putting words in people's mouths to avoid the issue. Murderers in the UK are six time more likely to be black than any other group as they are murder victims. link
If you want it fixed then admit there's a problem and don't run away from it by pretending it doesn't exist. Otherwise some lying bastard might think you don't actually give a shit about black people
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
Holy schmokes
Talk about members of that panel being in denial and putting words in people's mouths to avoid the issue. Murderers in the UK are six time more likely to be black than any other group as they are murder victims. link
If you want it fixed then admit there's a problem and don't run away from it by pretending it doesn't exist. Otherwise some lying bastard might think you don't actually give a shit about black people
100%
Good on him
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@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
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@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
Maybe he didn't start by caveating things to the required degree, but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point. It was all about how wrong he was and a big effort to avoid talking about the problem.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
Maybe he didn't start by caveating things to the required degree, but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point. It was all about how wrong he was and a big effort to avoid talking about the problem.
It’s a double edged problem really. There is the very real issue of him using the term “the black community” which the women quite rightly pointed out was not a single entity. So yes he was crass in the delivery of his message. Then there is the whole “you can’t say these things” shut down of discussion.
Jordan Petersen nailed it some years ago and pointed out that the over representation of young black guys in criminal statistics is a poverty thing and that young black guys are, not coincidentally, over represented in that stat too.
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@Bones good on him. He’s not wrong.
2-3% of the community but perpetrators are 6x more likely to be black community than anything else?
That’s not over represented. In most statistical terms that is dominant.
Forget about being offended, facts are facts. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
Maybe he didn't start by caveating things to the required degree, but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point. It was all about how wrong he was and a big effort to avoid talking about the problem.
It’s a double edged problem really. There is the very real issue of him using the term “the black community” which the women quite rightly pointed out was not a single entity.
I thought it diversion. And I get this strange feeling the woman wouldn't have a problem lumping the white community together and calling it "privileged".
Jordan Petersen nailed it some years ago and pointed out that the over representation of young black guys in criminal statistics is a poverty thing and that young black guys are, not coincidentally, over represented in that stat too.
I'm not sure that holds water in the UK. Asian groups (Bangladeshi & Pakistani) have the highest levels of poverty in the UK. link There's also a fair bit of evidence the group with the highest levels of poverty are the white working class.
Just think there's too much running away from the problem (as we saw with Asian grooming gangs) and it isn't going to improve until it's faced.
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