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Don’t they do basic checking anymore before spouting?
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@MiketheSnow for all the Tory incompetence in 2022, Labour are currently tearing themselves apart.
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
yeah there's not many people that make you think "that Diane Abbot, not so stupid after all".
What a time we live in eh?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
yeah there's not many people that make you think "that Diane Abbot, not so stupid after all".
What a time we live in eh?
She's certainly working hard to disprove Orwell's view that "It is fatal to look hungry. It makes people want to kick you."
An intellectual snob minus the intellect.
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So I've long since accepted that we leave in a society for the lowest common denominator. Where by even those with mediocre intelligence are held back by rules/laws designed for the fewest.
However, sometimes things cross my line, which this is a classic example. In the UK it's been introduced that you have to have ID to vote. And by fuck has it caused some backlash. Which I don't understand at all. Main reasons are
- Discrimination against minorities as less have the required ID
- More work for the civil servants who need to check it
- People not being aware that it's required.
All of these are just such horseshit. If minorities are less likely to have ID then thats their problem. You need ID for passports, drivers license & many other things. If you don't have any, then in my view, you aren't smart enough to vote anyway. More work for civil servants? Come on. The job is to cross a name off a list from a voter. Now, they simply need to cross check a name from an ID as opposed to listen the person say it. Such bullshit. People not being aware? If you aren't aware, then again, you don't read enough news to vote.
In my world, this would all be done on the HMRC (IRD) website. If you don't have an account, it means you aren't registered with the government and then you don't deserve a vote anyway. If you find the website too hard to use, then you aren't smart enough to vote.
At some point, an uprising by people with more than basic intelligence is going to happen.
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Whilst I agree in theory, I feel you are underestimating the ability of British bureaucracy to fuck simple things up.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Whilst I agree in theory, I feel you are underestimating the ability of British bureaucracy to fuck simple things up.
They managed to get the vaccine sorted
Voting should be a piece of piss
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Emphasis on the word should...
On the subject of ID for voting, I can see no reason for it not to apply but also wonder if it is really necessary. We have ID checks and balances in place already, to one degree or another but more relevant is the question of whether we are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. Is there widespread voter fraud? It hasn't to my knowledge been something that has been an issue.
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@Catogrande id checks, really? Last couple of times I've just rocked up to the church around the corner, said my name and they've crossed it off a bit of paper.
Foreigners eh.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Voting should be a piece of piss
The sensors on the UK urinals must be super sophisticated...
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Yeah, checked off against your voting eligibility slip, this is determined by the local authority in relation to your identification. Council Tax roll etc.
Sure, Bones is eligible to vote because of that, but I'm not sure how you're confirming the fat fuck standing in front of you is actually bones just because he says he's bones.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's far from watertight that's for sure and IF there was a real problem with voter fraud then it would absolutely need to be tightened up but the question remains - do we have a real problem with voter fraud?
I guess how do you know, if there's nothing other than a check that the name you said is on a list?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Emphasis on the word should...
On the subject of ID for voting, I can see no reason for it not to apply but also wonder if it is really necessary. We have ID checks and balances in place already, to one degree or another but more relevant is the question of whether we are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. Is there widespread voter fraud? It hasn't to my knowledge been something that has been an issue.
There is evidence that voter fraud is growing and was a factor in some close by-elections in the recent past, but how big a problem is it in reality?
Perhaps they think it's bigger than we all think but hard to detect?
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If voter fraud is a problem, it is a poorly reported one.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
If voter fraud is a problem, it is a poorly reported one.
Or as long as it doesn't affect the overall outcome, it isn't that big a thing or investigated that much? Been reports of organised harvesting of postal votes in the past from MPs of all parties and the closely-run 2019 Peterborough by-election was suspected of being very dodgy,
Not convinced it's a huge or big problem though - unless it is and they are keeping schtum.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
If voter fraud is a problem, it is a poorly reported one.
But that's it, how would you know?
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