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    • Tim
      Tim last edited by

      IIRC, Matrix is the chat protocol used by the French government.

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        Not sure if the right place...

        161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

        Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

        Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

        THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

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        • booboo
          booboo @Bones last edited by

          @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

          Not sure if the right place...

          161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

          Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

          Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

          THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

          I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

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          • Kirwan
            Kirwan @booboo last edited by

            @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

            @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

            Not sure if the right place...

            161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

            Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

            Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

            THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

            I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

            Hint. It’s not.

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            • booboo
              booboo @Kirwan last edited by

              @Kirwan said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

              @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

              @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

              Not sure if the right place...

              161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

              Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

              Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

              THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

              I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

              Hint. It’s not.

              🙂 I know. But I don't know you can even spin it and pretend

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              • Siam
                Siam @booboo last edited by

                @booboo 🙂 there's lots of pretending going on all over the world right now mate🙂

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                • Kruse
                  Kruse @booboo last edited by

                  @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                  @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                  Not sure if the right place...

                  161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

                  Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                  Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                  THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

                  I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

                  What I found weird... if I saw that post without context, anywhere on facebook or whatever the tweeter is, I'd have assumed it was a left-wing celebrity making a point about Trump and divisive politics.
                  And that's coming from somebody who comes in fairly left on that simplistic 2D political views survey/chart.
                  Her other twits - were pretty dumb. The one that got her in trouble - I'd think everybody, on both sides of that ridiculously polarised american political situation (her point, I'm optimistically thinking she was smart enough to make) - would agree with.

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                  • booboo
                    booboo @Kruse last edited by

                    @Kruse said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                    @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                    @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                    Not sure if the right place...

                    161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

                    Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                    Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                    THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

                    I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

                    What I found weird... if I saw that post without context, anywhere on facebook or whatever the tweeter is, I'd have assumed it was a left-wing celebrity making a point about Trump and divisive politics.
                    And that's coming from somebody who comes in fairly left on that simplistic 2D political views survey/chart.
                    Her other twits - were pretty dumb. The one that got her in trouble - I'd think everybody, on both sides of that ridiculously polarised american political situation (her point, I'm optimistically thinking she was smart enough to make) - would agree with.

                    I think I agree with you Kruse.

                    What were her other tweets / posts?

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                    • MajorRage
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                      Considering Shapiro is about as Jewish as you can get, it seems once again it’s people choosing to get offended on behalf of others. Boring.

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                      • Kruse
                        Kruse @booboo last edited by Kruse

                        @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                        @Kruse said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                        @booboo said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                        @Bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                        Not sure if the right place...

                        161385360554578  /  Feb 12, 2021  /  Entertainment

                        Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                        Axed Mandalorian star slams cancel culture as she lands new film after backlash

                        THE Mandalorian actress Gina Carano has slammed critics after getting fired, saying “they can’t cancel if we don’t let them” as she announced a new film with Ben Sharpio. The 38-y…

                        I'm struggling to work out how that tweet (was there just the one?) is in any way anti-Semitic.

                        What I found weird... if I saw that post without context, anywhere on facebook or whatever the tweeter is, I'd have assumed it was a left-wing celebrity making a point about Trump and divisive politics.
                        And that's coming from somebody who comes in fairly left on that simplistic 2D political views survey/chart.
                        Her other twits - were pretty dumb. The one that got her in trouble - I'd think everybody, on both sides of that ridiculously polarised american political situation (her point, I'm optimistically thinking she was smart enough to make) - would agree with.

                        I think I agree with you Kruse.

                        What were her other tweets / posts?

                        I only saw them because I finally clicked on one of the articles in this thread, to see what this was all about - and they weren't anything offensive, just dumb... something along the lines of implying wearing masks being for sheep, and I think something just plain political - left wing sux, right wing rulez type bullshit.
                        Edit: I was half-right - one post implying masks were bullshit; and another stating there was voter fraud, and Trump was cheated.

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                        • Kiwiwomble
                          Kiwiwomble last edited by

                          yeah, I think the last tweet was more of a last straw situation. There have been a series of tweets over the last year or so that would not be Disney approved (anti mask, COVID is just the flu, election was rigged) maybe not that bad individually but as a whole too much for Disney

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                          • JC
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                            If your position is that any comparison with the holocaust downplays the horror of that event, then her text was crass, hyperbolic and just a bit dim. I can see why Disney thought it cheapened their brand. But that’s not a sacking offence, especially when half the celebs in the world have been calling Republicans fascists, which diminishes the reality of that horror, for a couple of years with no sanction.

                            What a time to be alive.

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                            • mariner4life
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                              🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

                              froth away!

                              https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/dr-seuss-celebration-dropped-after-books-found-to-have-racial-undertones/news-story/81f7d2297e46f9fc607f9917e7619f7b

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                              • Kiwiwomble
                                Kiwiwomble @mariner4life last edited by

                                @mariner4life i think i tend towards the more "woke" side of things generally...but jeez, surely better to enjoy the good aspects of things like this and just point out the bad stuff so people arent ignorant of the past

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                                • mariner4life
                                  mariner4life @Kiwiwomble last edited by

                                  @kiwiwomble said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                  @mariner4life i think i tend towards the more "woke" side of things generally...but jeez, surely better to enjoy the good aspects of things like this and just point out the bad stuff so people arent ignorant of the past

                                  no!!! the fact the Seuss is fucking great for teaching kids to read is fucking nothing compared to writing in your own undertones. Or ignoring the fact that these books are fucking up to 80 years old!!

                                  burn. every. single. fucking. copy.

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                                  • Kruse
                                    Kruse @mariner4life last edited by

                                    @mariner4life said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                    🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

                                    froth away!

                                    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/dr-seuss-celebration-dropped-after-books-found-to-have-racial-undertones/news-story/81f7d2297e46f9fc607f9917e7619f7b

                                    I'm not entirely sure which is worse...

                                    • The study deciding the books were full of racial stereotypes, and woe-is-me - not many girls (assuming gender much, you pricks?)
                                    • Or the article itself with the misleading headline, deliberately trying to provoke the backlash. There was no celebration of Seuss dropped, or cancelled, or banned, or anything. Just a move to make "Read Across America Day" not intrinsically tied to Seuss. (Citing ridiculous reasons for this, but still...)

                                    We are living in a wondrous age, of people being triggered, and then other people being triggered by that, and so on, and so on.... what's the time set to on the cultural-armageddon Doomsday Clock?

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                                    • taniwharugby
                                      taniwharugby @Kruse last edited by

                                      @kruse

                                      not a new clip, but relevant

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                                      • Bones
                                        Bones @taniwharugby last edited by

                                        @taniwharugby said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                        @kruse

                                        not a new clip, but relevant

                                        "British TV newsman"

                                        That's gold.

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                                        • mariner4life
                                          mariner4life @Bones last edited by

                                          @bones I've seen the usual fuckwits on my socials linking that as a "newsman" and i crack up every time

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                                          • Bones
                                            Bones @mariner4life last edited by

                                            @mariner4life got tickets to go see him and it's been postponed indefinitely twice already fuck it!

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                                            • JC
                                              JC @Bones last edited by

                                              @bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                              @mariner4life got tickets to go see him and it's been postponed indefinitely twice already fuck it!

                                              That’s awesome luck, imagine how furious he will be by the time you actually see him.

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                                              • Bones
                                                Bones @JC last edited by

                                                @jc said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                @bones said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                @mariner4life got tickets to go see him and it's been postponed indefinitely twice already fuck it!

                                                That’s awesome luck, imagine how furious he will be by the time you actually see him.

                                                The hair sweeps and ear plug adjustments will be off the charts! I wonder if Tim will be there?

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                                                • JC
                                                  JC @Bones last edited by

                                                  @bones Course Tim will be there. Pie loves a bit of yacht rock to work him into the right frame of mind. They lock him up like Hannibal Lecter and play Michael McDonald at him till he starts howling then push him onto the stage.

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                                                  • booboo
                                                    booboo @JC last edited by

                                                    @jc said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                    @bones Course Tim will be there. Pie loves a bit of yacht rock to work him into the right frame of mind. They lock him up like Hannibal Lecter and play Michael McDonald at him till he starts howling then push him onto the stage.

                                                    Thank you JC. Couldn't think of his name. Got stuck on Alan Patridge.

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                                                      • JC
                                                        JC @Tim last edited by

                                                        @tim said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                        Oh no. They’ve cancelled @Tim

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                                                        • antipodean
                                                          antipodean @Tim last edited by

                                                          @tim said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

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                                                          That didn't last long

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                                                          • Tim
                                                            Tim @JC last edited by Tim

                                                            @jc Basically, some guy's google drive account was flagged for violating their hate speech policy, because he had a screencap from Inglorious Bastards that had a swastika in the background. No WW2 photography for you!

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                                                              nzzp @JC last edited by

                                                              @jc said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                              @tim said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                              Oh no. They’ve cancelled @Tim

                                                              I genuinely thought for a bit it was just another oblique reference or joke I'd totally missed... Glad the mystery is solved

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                                                              • Kid Chocolate
                                                                Kid Chocolate last edited by Kid Chocolate

                                                                It’s like Alcoholics Anonymous, where your first step is looking in the mirror being honest with yourself and admitting you’ve got a sickness.

                                                                This thing is massive — it’s behind a paywall, and I’ve only quoted below maybe a 1/4 of it. Look for the whole thing if you can.

                                                                Funnily, that “look in the mirror” I mentioned above, it appears the Grey Old Lady only really WOKE up to the urgency and “dangerous” reality when they saw social conservatives employing speech laws invented and imposed by liberals against those same very liberals. The laws the do-gooder witchhunters invented were being used against them.

                                                                ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                                                                THE EDITORIAL BOARD
                                                                America Has a Free Speech Problem
                                                                March 18, 2022

                                                                For all the tolerance and enlightenment that modern society claims, Americans are losing hold of a fundamental right as citizens of a free country: the right to speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned.

                                                                This social silencing, this depluralizing of America, has been evident for years, but dealing with it stirs yet more fear. It feels like a third rail, dangerous. For a strong nation and open society, that is dangerous.

                                                                How has this happened? In large part, it’s because the political left and the right are caught in a destructive loop of condemnation and recrimination around “cancel culture.” Many on the left refuse to acknowledge that cancel culture exists at all, believing that those who complain about it are offering cover for bigots to peddle hate speech. Many on the right, for all their braying about cancel culture, have embraced an even more extreme version of censoriousness as a bulwark against a rapidly changing society, with laws that would ban books, stifle teachers and discourage open discussion in classrooms.

                                                                Many Americans are understandably confused, then, about what they can say and where they can say it. People should be able to put forward viewpoints, ask questions and make mistakes, and take unpopular but good-faith positions on issues that society is still working through — all without fearing cancellation.

                                                                However you define cancel culture, Americans know it exists, and feel its burden. In a new national poll commissioned by Times Opinion and Siena College, only 34 percent of Americans said they believed that all Americans enjoyed freedom of speech completely. The poll found that 84 percent of adults said it is a “very serious” or “somewhat serious” problem that some Americans do not speak freely in everyday situations because of fear of retaliation or harsh criticism.

                                                                This poll, and other recent surveys from the Pew Research Center and the Knight Foundation, reveals a crisis of confidence around one of America’s most basic values. Freedom of speech and expression is vital to human beings’ search for truth and knowledge about our world. A society that values freedom of speech can benefit from the full diversity of its people and their ideas. At the individual level, human beings cannot flourish without the confidence to take risks, to pursue ideas and express thoughts that others might reject.

                                                                Most important, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democratic self government. If people feel free to express their views in their communities, the democratic process can respond to and resolve competing ideas. Ideas that go unchallenged by opposing views risk becoming weak and brittle rather than being strengthened by tough scrutiny. When speech is stifled or when dissenters are shut out of public discourse, a society also loses its ability to resolve conflict, and it faces the risk of political violence.

                                                                […]

                                                                [Concluding para.]:

                                                                Free speech is predicated on mutual respect, that of people for each other, and of a government for the people they serve. Every day, in communities across the country, Americans must speak to one another freely to refine and improve the elements of our social contract: What do we owe the most vulnerable in our neighborhoods? What conduct should we expect from public servants? What ideas are so essential to understanding American democracy that they should be taught in schools? When public discourse in America is narrowed, it becomes harder to answer these and the many other urgent questions we face as a society.

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                                                                • MiketheSnow
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                                                                  Full article

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                                                                    Tim last edited by

                                                                    Anti-Piracy

                                                                    DuckDuckGo 'Removes' Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results (Updated) * TorrentFreak

                                                                    DuckDuckGo 'Removes' Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results (Updated) * TorrentFreak

                                                                    Search engine DuckDuckGo has completely removed all search results for popular pirate sites including The Pirate Bay, 1337x, and Fmovies.

                                                                    I also do not trust DDG's privacy promises.

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                                                                    • Kid Chocolate
                                                                      Kid Chocolate last edited by

                                                                      This has to be one of the worst miscalculations in recent media-corp memory. They can’t draw flies to watch their programming for free and somehow believed more people would subscribe if they had to pay for it. Sayonara CFO.

                                                                      https://www.axios.com/discovery-cnn-plus-marketing-layoffs-jobs-b088c03c-b202-4756-8f5f-e64ee77b5095.html

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                                                                        antipodean @Kid Chocolate last edited by

                                                                        @Kid-Chocolate

                                                                        Unsurprising to me given the vast amount of shit I'm completely uninterested in watching, let alone paying for.

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                                                                        • Kid Chocolate
                                                                          Kid Chocolate @antipodean last edited by

                                                                          @antipodean Netflix is a different beast. They have shitloads of programming, but not a lot of it stimulating me, and worse just another reminder of the awful culture war. However I think their audience reduction right now is largely a result of inflation and people having a gutsful of masks ‘n lockdowns. People are mentally and physically wanting to go outside now that the pandemic has (fingers crossed) subsided; and losing a month salary per year to inflation makes a working person weigh their immediate options: gasoline or netflix? groceries or cable tv? And they’re cutting the cord.

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                                                                          • Kid Chocolate
                                                                            Kid Chocolate @Kid Chocolate last edited by Kid Chocolate

                                                                            @Kid-Chocolate said in Tech, monopolies, censorship:

                                                                            This has to be one of the worst miscalculations in recent media-corp memory. They can’t draw flies to watch their programming for free and somehow believed more people would subscribe if they had to pay for it. Sayonara CFO.

                                                                            https://www.axios.com/discovery-cnn-plus-marketing-layoffs-jobs-b088c03c-b202-4756-8f5f-e64ee77b5095.html

                                                                            Update:

                                                                            TERMINATED

                                                                            Didn’t last a month. They pulled the plug. Heads gotsta roll…

                                                                            🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

                                                                            Mark Joyella  /  Apr 22, 2022  /  Media

                                                                            CNN Chief Pins Death Of CNN+ On New Owners, Telling Staff ‘It’s Not Your Fault’

                                                                            CNN Chief Pins Death Of CNN+ On New Owners, Telling Staff ‘It’s Not Your Fault’

                                                                            The move represents a massive failure for CNN, and may mean layoffs for hundreds of CNN+ employees.

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                                                                            • Kid Chocolate
                                                                              Kid Chocolate last edited by

                                                                              Good question.

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                                                                              • Kid Chocolate
                                                                                Kid Chocolate last edited by Kid Chocolate

                                                                                I am pleasantly surprised to see this published in this-current-era issue of The Nation. If all you did was read the text you could be forgiven thinking it was in The American Conservative.

                                                                                Lev Golinkin  /  May 12, 2022

                                                                                Meet the Head of Biden’s New “Disinformation Governing Board”

                                                                                Meet the Head of Biden’s New “Disinformation Governing Board”

                                                                                Nina Jankowicz is a veteran information warrior. But her “experience” working with StopFake should have set off alarm bells.

                                                                                “Painting neo-Nazi paramilitaries with an extensive record of war crimes as patriots helping refugees, all while working with a “disinformation” group that turned out to run interference for violent neo-Nazi formations—that’s the experience Biden’s new disinformation czar brings to the table.”

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                                                                                • Kid Chocolate
                                                                                  Kid Chocolate last edited by Kid Chocolate

                                                                                  Pendilum is swinging back. How do you say Dave Chapelle without saying Dave Chapelle?

                                                                                  “The updated Netflix Culture memo also includes a new section called “Artistic Expression,” explaining that the streamer will not “censor specific artists or voices” even if employees consider the content “harmful,” and bluntly states, “If you’d find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you.”

                                                                                  Amen.

                                                                                  Todd Spangler  /  May 12, 2022

                                                                                  Netflix Updates Corporate Culture Memo, Adding Anti-Censorship Section and a Vow to ‘Spend Our Members’ Money Wisely’ (EXCLUSIVE)

                                                                                  Netflix Updates Corporate Culture Memo, Adding Anti-Censorship Section and a Vow to ‘Spend Our Members’ Money Wisely’ (EXCLUSIVE)

                                                                                  The first major update to Netflix's culture document since 2017 adds a fiscal-responsibility directive and an anti-censorship section.

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                                                                                  • Tim
                                                                                    Tim last edited by

                                                                                    Jun 5, 2022

                                                                                    Free-speech group will spend millions to promote First Amendment cases

                                                                                    Free-speech group will spend millions to promote First Amendment cases

                                                                                    Some backers see FIRE moving to take on fights ceded by ACLU.

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