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    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:

    any game plan to be more forward dominating

    And we have been dominated physically all year when it mattered.

    Don't get me wrong, Ardie is a world class 7, but he is not the answer at 8 for us.

    Foster needs to go to specialists, not trying to fit players in, out of position

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    @taniwharugby
    agree as i said in another thread big red has a opportunity if he can get more gametime and same with someone like sami finau and probably others

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    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:

    any game plan to be more forward dominating

    And we have been dominated physically all year when it mattered.

    Don't get me wrong, Ardie is a world class 7, but he is not the answer at 8 for us.

    Foster needs to go to specialists, not trying to fit players in, out of position

    yes, two perfectly valid approaches

    1 pick the best players and come up with a game plan that works to their strengths, as used by those with knowledge of the games
    various approaches

    2 decide the best game plan to beat the other teams out there and pick the best players FOR THAT GAMEPLAN, as used by those
    that know the players

    fozzie currently getting the worst aspects of both those approaches

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    I just watched the second test versus Wales 2016. Same fling it wide attacking structure. It worked cos Wales couldn't keep up, and there was some great individual play from the likes of Smith, Barrett, Ben Smith, Dagg. FFS we've literally been using the same attacking structure since 16. No deception, no pod variation, nothing from depth. Attack coach was some dude called foster, apparently

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    More applicable for 2022 and beyond. DMac will be playing 1st 5 for Suntory and wants to focus on that position once he returns to NZ. Back in May but won't be immediately eligible for the ABs.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/127160861/firstfive-or-fullback-damian-mckenzie-reveals-intentions

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    So does this mean he has already signed a new NZR contract?

    I thought the sequence was similar to what TJ did. The NZ contract ended, then TJ signed a single season deal in Japan without a new NZR deal

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    All Blacks Player of the Year Nominees

    After an elongated international season, the coveted All Blacks Player of the Year Awards shape as close contests with four outstanding nominees. Wing Will Jordan is up against loose forward Ardie Savea, fullback Jordie Barrett and centre/wing Rieko Ioane.

    Nominees announced for 2021 ASB Rugby Awards

    Nominees announced for 2021 ASB Rugby Awards

    New Zealand Rugby’s (NZR) top performers of 2021 will be recognised in an ASB Rugby Awards TV event, with nominees announced today.

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    @duluth The article isn't clear on DMac's contract status. Maybe he says more in the podcast. I am also assuming he will be in the same situation as TJP, so will need to sign a new NZR contract. Reading between the lines he is keen to play for the ABs again so an overseas contract isn't an option.

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    @toddy said in All Blacks 2021:

    All Blacks Player of the Year Nominees

    After an elongated international season, the coveted All Blacks Player of the Year Awards shape as close contests with four outstanding nominees. Wing Will Jordan is up against loose forward Ardie Savea, fullback Jordie Barrett and centre/wing Rieko Ioane.

    Nominees announced for 2021 ASB Rugby Awards

    Nominees announced for 2021 ASB Rugby Awards

    New Zealand Rugby’s (NZR) top performers of 2021 will be recognised in an ASB Rugby Awards TV event, with nominees announced today.

    Seems about right to me, best forward, two best backs (Ioane’s attack and Jordie’s reliability), and highest try scorer just to round out to 4

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    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

    @duluth The article isn't clear on DMac's contract status. Maybe he says more in the podcast. I am also assuming he will be in the same situation as TJP, so will need to sign a new NZR contract. Reading between the lines he is keen to play for the ABs again so an overseas contract isn't an option.

    McKenzie will probably be fine but someday a player is going to get burnt by this. Maybe the price that NZR is willing to pay drops a lot in the next few months?

    Also if he is serious about being a ten and J Ioane plays well, does he need to look at another franchise? You could have a situation where J Ioane becomes the clear 3rd choice. Does he have to look at the Canes?

    Lots of risk, but lots of Yen too

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    At least he's up front about chasing the yen.

    Ioane needs a big 2022 with the Chiefs if he wants to overtake DMac as the 3rd 1st 5 option for the ABs. As Ioane only signed a 1 yr contract, the Chiefs can choose who they want for 2023.

    As to the wider question, players will need to decide if money is everything or they still want to be an AB. At the moment these short-term contracts seem to be the way forward if a player wants to make some good coin and refresh the body.

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    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

    At least he's up front about chasing the yen.

    Ioane needs a big 2022 with the Chiefs if he wants to overtake DMac as the 3rd 1st 5 option for the ABs. As Ioane only signed a 1 yr contract, the Chiefs can choose who they want for 2023.

    As to the wider question, players will need to decide if money is everything or they still want to be an AB. At the moment these short-term contracts seem to be the way forward if a player wants to make some good coin and refresh the body.

    I assume that the Chiefs are trying to get Dmac signed and if they can't, they'll offer Joane an extension (or possibly push up one of the younger players).

    I'm glad that Dmac wants to focus on 10, as if he comes back and plays well, he would be almost a certainty for a WC squad (covers 10/15) and if he plays well he could take the bench role off either Mo'unga or Barrett. We need him and more players putting pressure on the top two blokes.

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

    At least he's up front about chasing the yen.

    Ioane needs a big 2022 with the Chiefs if he wants to overtake DMac as the 3rd 1st 5 option for the ABs. As Ioane only signed a 1 yr contract, the Chiefs can choose who they want for 2023.

    As to the wider question, players will need to decide if money is everything or they still want to be an AB. At the moment these short-term contracts seem to be the way forward if a player wants to make some good coin and refresh the body.

    I assume that the Chiefs are trying to get Dmac signed and if they can't, they'll offer Joane an extension (or possibly push up one of the younger players).

    I'm glad that Dmac wants to focus on 10, as if he comes back and plays well, he would be almost a certainty for a WC squad (covers 10/15) and if he plays well he could take the bench role off either Mo'unga or Barrett. We need him and more players putting pressure on the top two blokes.

    I felt DMac improved as a replacement 10 this year...

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    @nostrildamus I think that 10 is his best future position. Good luck to him to build his skills in Japan. I do like the vision he has for space.

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    I reckon DMac should spend the summer working on his passing and move into the 9 jersey

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    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

    Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when Dane Coles, BB or Whitelock really said what they think of Foster.

    We are using menti in meetings which allows anonymous feedback/answers to questions. You quickly figure out what people thoughts are via polls, wordclouds etc. Its fucken brilliant as the boss has no idea who its coming from and the honesty is refreshing. When people aren't worried about offending the boss or losing their jobs they are much more honest and it ultimately leads to better outcomes.

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    @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2021:

    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

    Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when Dane Coles, BB or Whitelock really said what they think of Foster.

    We are using menti in meetings which allows anonymous feedback/answers to questions. You quickly figure out what people thoughts are via polls, wordclouds etc. Its fucken brilliant as the boss has no idea who its coming from and the honesty is refreshing. When people aren't worried about offending the boss or losing their jobs they are much more honest and it ultimately leads to better outcomes.

    Not only that would be interesting to hear what they thought of their teammates. You see them all travelling and looking matey matey but you can rest assured there’ll be loads of them who think such and such is shit and their provincial teammate should be there instead…..or such and such is a great player but an absolute fluffybunny.

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    @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2021:

    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

    Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall when Dane Coles, BB or Whitelock really said what they think of Foster.

    We are using menti in meetings which allows anonymous feedback/answers to questions. You quickly figure out what people thoughts are via polls, wordclouds etc. Its fucken brilliant as the boss has no idea who its coming from and the honesty is refreshing. When people aren't worried about offending the boss or losing their jobs they are much more honest and it ultimately leads to better outcomes.

    I've never provided honest feedback when told it was anonymous. A complete lack of trust.

    Frank and fearless feedback where I currently work would turn into a shark feeding frenzy at middle management level. I dare say players who want to play at the highest level would weigh up the imagined benefits with the fear of never playing at that level again. Given the house of cards that is NZR, would anyone have confidence in such a process?

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    Results aside, All Blacks' depth off the charts

    Results aside, All Blacks' depth off the charts

    It's fair to suggest that Foster and his coaching group have finished the season with some excellent depth in every position across the board for the All Blacks and created a few headaches for themselves next year

    Just a summary of the options position by position

    This table in the article was a decent way of showing it all. Each player is only listed once (ignoring that DMac is also a ten etc)

    They’ve generally made reasonable guesses about the current rankings with the selectors (there is a few wierd ones like Nankivell ahead of PUJ)


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    @duluth Makes you wonder what the coaching team are doing with that talent at their disposal.

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