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The whole trans thing has just gone way too far, and it's really affecting kids mental health now. @Crazy-Horse's examples above are a case in point, those kids are on the brink of suicide because they are not getting the help they need to come to grips with their own identity.
The whole thing is absurd from the outset. You get called 'cis' if you are not trans, however, when you dig further 'cis' actually means you fit the stereotypes associated with your gender. I can't even begin to explain how stupid that is, there is almost nobody that perfectly fits the stereotypes of their gender. They are just... stereotypes for fucks sake.
So then you have them brainwashing kids telling them if they don't fit this narrow stereotype they should consider they are trans, which leads some of them down an extremely dangerous path which often (nearly 50% of the time) ends in suicide.
I just can't fathom why people are standing by allowing this to happen, it seems there's only a handful of people willing to publicly speak out against it. If a kid is struggling with their identity or their gender, the best thing you can do for them is help them come to terms with who they are. If a kid is gender a-typical that doesn't mean they are trans, there's loads of overlap between the sexes when it comes to interests and behaviours. I thought we as a society were trying to move away from sexist stereotypes and allowing people to express themselves without being judged as too 'manly' or too 'feminine'. This just elevates those stereotypes as being the defining feature of who someone is.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan I’m just going to leave you to your outrage
Fine. I’ll leave you to justify the evil of the modern woke left.
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@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Not everything “left” is evil just like not everything right is, the sooner people accept there is some middle ground where we’re can acknowledge restricting what pro nouns are used is great overreach but that posting personal medical details on line is pretty shit the better
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
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@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
I could say the same, you’ve put more words in my mouth than I’ve actually said, hence why I tried to just leave it
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I take a lot of interest in these discussions. I don't have anything vested, but I find the trans debate to be the on the cliff edge of a very slippery slope.
I'd consider myself a conservative liberal. In that I generally prefer things to be remain as they are, but I'm also happy for people to be who they want to be as long as they don't affect other people. But what I am, unequivocally, is transphobic.
Reason being is not because I have a single thing against people who choose to transition, not at all. It's because I'm unconvinced by the arguments put forward that
- Trans woman should be able to play sport against woman (I refuse to acknowledge the existence of "cis")
- Children should be allowed to pursue any transition therapy/medicine. My reasoning is the same that children don't vote & drive cars.
- Men who identify as woman should be able to walk, without any question, into woman safe spaces (toilet, changing rooms etc.) I think that's easily exploitable by those with bad intentions.
And these days, holding only one of those views has you labelled as transphobic. So I just accept it. Hence, this sort of article & judgment is neither surprising or increasingly, rare. Debate has been shut down by the activists (of which some are in government now across the planet) for a long time.
Being called transphobic is no longer an insult. Other words such as sexism, racism etc are in a lot of cases, catching up.But that is another debate for another time.
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@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@crazy-horse said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
In the wee area that I work in we have three kids aged around 13 years who are transitioning and things are pretty fucked for them. All three are in and out of psych wards, two have parents that cannot fathom what the hell is going on with their kid and there are constant disturbances that we have to sort out. The other one comes from a mother who has mental health problems of her own so doesn't appear overly fussed. All three keep threatening to kill themselves.
I have a personal opinion that some of these kids are just gay. They should be allowed to have time to come to grips with their identity (be it trans/gay/whatever) and make permanent changes to their bodies only when they are an adult.
I feel that some of this is a weird sort of prejudice about having a gay kid. Probably lots of reasons going on, but when this stuff is driven by parents or schools then alarm bells should be ringing.
I believe Iran is a case study in an explosion of trans people due to the persecution of gays over there. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't playing a role in the west as well.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
I could say the same, you’ve put more words in my mouth than I’ve actually said, hence why I tried to just leave it
Unsuccessfully.
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@no-quarter I've had a few nights on two-spirits, never a good idea.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby my understanding is the individual has transitions from female to male and is now using male pronouns hence why referring to him as a "she" was the bad thing
This is not physically possibly.
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@taniwharugby said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
Miss 12 was telling us how one of her friends who had 'come out' as being 'Bi' last year, fancies another girl who has 'come out' as 'Bi' too.
Being non gender specific is not just condoned it's encouraged.
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@no-quarter That is totally and seriously fucked ideology.
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@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
A child transitioning, with "guidence" from her school, who also suggested hormone treatment. That's bad enough, but the issue is that her father can be found in contempt of court for misusing a pronoun.
Literally Orwellion.There's a big scandal brewing in the UK where children and psychologists have been pressured by TG activists and charities to give the go-ahead for reassignment drug and surgery without considering the long-term risks.
Quite a few cases where the child - some as young as 12 - were gay rather than TG.
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@no-quarter said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Joe Wheeler:
@antipodean i believe i understand but maybe i am missing something
Two issues in play, one about the ethics of transitioning children to a different gender with the use of hormones and surgery.
Second is the Orwellian nature of a government enacting a law with compelled speech, and a court putting people in jail to enforce it. I've been bleating on about this one, even though I think the first is child abuse.
Both are very troubling.
All of it is just so wrong.
I imagine we will look back at the whole transitioning children and giving them hormone blockers with regret and wonder how that madness ever came to pass. It actually boggles the mind that anyone at all thinks it is a good idea.
My reading of this is that activists with evil intent, who think that gender is a social construct, then encourage poor deluded, disillusioned, confused kids to try and become something they can't possibly become, even though they don't believe what they want them to become doesn't actually exist in the first place because gender is a social construct.
Faaark.
It's evil, and these poor confused peeps need to find what it is to like about themselves to accept themselves for who they are, rather than trying to change the essence of themsleves and ending up as some half arsed mutant due to some weird ideas from misandrist man haters.
Dumb.
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@crazy-horse said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
In the wee area that I work in we have three kids aged around 13 years who are transitioning and things are pretty fucked for them. All three are in and out of psych wards, two have parents that cannot fathom what the hell is going on with their kid and there are constant disturbances that we have to sort out. The other one comes from a mother who has mental health problems of her own so doesn't appear overly fussed. All three keep threatening to kill themselves.
My point exactly. They need help to understand themselves. Not change in a way that us impossible.
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@no-quarter said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
I believe Iran is a case study in an explosion of trans people due to the persecution of gays over there. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't playing a role in the west as well.
It certainly appears to be.
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@taniwharugby said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan yeah you kinda get the feeling kids feel they need to be Bi, Gay, Trans, ADHD, Depressed or some other label to 'fit in'.
Which leads back to the Parenting thread on TR Jnr, which I should go and update.
DefIntel get the impression if you're normal you're not cool
Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she"