All Blacks 2022
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat Mooar would have been third choice at best. Foster has already admitted he approached Schmidt and Brown.
Mooar was so poorly thought of by Razor as a backs coach, that it didn't even cross his mind to consider him for his pitch, even as a last resort option.
How do you know that?
It's pretty well known Razor and Mooar don't get on at all. How much of that is personality vs coaching ability who knows.
I don't think it's material - on evidence alone his coaching is useless.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat Mooar would have been third choice at best. Foster has already admitted he approached Schmidt and Brown.
Mooar was so poorly thought of by Razor as a backs coach, that it didn't even cross his mind to consider him for his pitch, even as a last resort option.
How do you know that?
It's pretty well known Razor and Mooar don't get on at all. How much of that is personality vs coaching ability who knows.
I remember a post on here from someone with connections to Crusaders camp, basically, Mooar an average 'provincial-level' coach, that was the consensus from Razor & co apparently.
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Well with Schmidt joining the team, a bit of info about possible replacements for some of Fozzies other crew would be a decent way to end the year.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat Mooar would have been third choice at best. Foster has already admitted he approached Schmidt and Brown.
Mooar was so poorly thought of by Razor as a backs coach, that it didn't even cross his mind to consider him for his pitch, even as a last resort option.
How do you know that?
It's pretty well known Razor and Mooar don't get on at all. How much of that is personality vs coaching ability who knows.
I remember a post on here from someone with connections to Crusaders camp, basically, Mooar an average 'provincial-level' coach, that was the consensus from Razor & co apparently.
Did Razor inherit him? Even so he kept him around for a coupe of seasons before reaching that conclusion.
I used to be an advocate for the old school type career coach that wasn't a name player previously. The guys that came through the grades and learned the trade.
I have a feeling that has changed a bit over the last decade or so with the pro side of rugby being more than just 'get out there and follow the plan'. Players are encouraged to understand tactics deeply and it does bring out those with good thought processes that intrinsically know what works and what doesn't.
We still get ex-players that aren't great thinkers but those that are tend to be much better than the 'through the grades' types.
We went through a jobs for the boys phase and now I think we may be coming to an end of the coaches that pass all the theory classes and speak the textbook lingo.
Fosters team appears full of these vanilla backroom assistants at a time when we need to innovate to get backon the front foot of the international game. We had a good run based on fitness many moons ago then another good run based on skills and quick thinking. Our instinctive play is now shut down by highly organised defences and we need to take another look at things.
We've tried "rope a dope" and it doesn't work against well drilled teams. IMO we need to stretch other teams mentally. Challenge their decision making rather than their ability to work in a pattern. Mix up our attack with running lines and skilled kicking from hand. -
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Fosters team appears full of these vanilla backroom assistants at a time when we need to innovate to get backon the front foot of the international game.
think the are a team of coaches who would do well when surrounded by a good team, but you cant have a team of that type of person, an un-politically correct expression would be too many Indians, not enough Chiefs...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Fosters team appears full of these vanilla backroom assistants at a time when we need to innovate to get backon the front foot of the international game.
think the are a team of coaches who would do well when surrounded by a good team, but you cant have a team of that type of person, an un-politically correct expression would be too many Indians, not enough Chiefs...
I thought Foster liked picking chiefs...
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@nostrildamus Might get an opinion on that one from Lachlan Boshier.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat
except robinson had jason holland as his backs coach . support staff was not highDespite his questionable selections, Holland has actually built a decent reputation as an astute attack coach. Watch the Hurricanes backline closely, they have great organization and structure, they run creative & innovative angles/lines, and their pre-organized backline moves off set-pieces are consistently the best and most complex of all the NZ teams. On attack, their support play, skill-level, spatial awareness, etc.. is often best standard of our NZ sides, usually played at a greater tempo than other NZ sides as well.
Holland became the Hurricanes attack coach in 2016, their maiden title year, and has been the architect behind arguably the most effective attack in Super Rugby over successive years (considering their relatively under strength forward pack - compared to the platform laid for the Crusaders' backline).
Have a look at the individual coaching teams again, and compare them again objectively, without factoring in their cumulative levels of experience (as if that much flaunted "international experience" helped Foster appear any less of an incompetent buffoon over these last two All Black seasons).
Head coach: Scott Robertson > Ian Foster (obviously..)
Assistant coach, 2nd selector: MacDonald > Plumtree.
Forwards coach: Ryan > Plumtree.
Inside backs: Holland > Mooar.
Defense coach: McLeod (same) - Scott had aligned with both groups.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Mark Robinson appears to be an even more ordinary administrator than he was a player
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@kiwi_expat
you seem to have missed my point . both sets of back room staff was weak.any how
Despite his questionable selections, Holland has actually built a decent reputation as an astute attack coach. Watch the Hurricanes backline closely, they have great organization and structure, they run creative & innovative angles/lines, and their pre-organized backline moves off set-pieces are consistently the best and most complex of all the NZ teams. On attack, their support play, skill-level, spatial awareness, etc.. is often best standard of our NZ sides, usually played at a greater tempo than other NZ sides as well.do you work in PR there lots of spin there.
Have a look at the individual coaching teams again, and compare them again objectively, without factoring in their cumulative levels of experience (as if that much flaunted "international experience" helped Foster appear any less of an incompetent buffoon over these last two All Black seasons)
objectively?
discount experience really
then you finish with incompetent buffoon so objectiveobjective
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@kiwi_expat I struggle with that analysis. The Canes are held together by some workaholic forwards and flashes of individual brilliance. Not sure why you are so demeaning of Foster. The AB's did manage a try or two this year and had the equal best winning percentage in test rugby this year along with Ireland.
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@mariner4life you'd hope they are asking the right questions of the players and it is anonymous...rather than asking questions designed to get them the answers they want
I mean several ABs careers hinge on Foster and bowing out in 2023, the likes of Whitelock who is up there now as one of our best, his career is looking on a sharp decline in Black, is this just where he is at, or is Fozzie part of it?
Aaron Smith seems the only one who doesnt seem to have plateaued or on the decline....
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@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
So NZR bring in a coach to Foster because he can’t coach.
Brilliant keep the head coach but really admit he is not up to in by bringing in Schmidt.Just dump Foster and be done with it,
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat Mooar would have been third choice at best. Foster has already admitted he approached Schmidt and Brown.
Mooar was so poorly thought of by Razor as a backs coach, that it didn't even cross his mind to consider him for his pitch, even as a last resort option.
How do you know that?
It's pretty well known Razor and Mooar don't get on at all. How much of that is personality vs coaching ability who knows.
I remember a post on here from someone with connections to Crusaders camp, basically, Mooar an average 'provincial-level' coach, that was the consensus from Razor & co apparently.
Yep that is what I understand the situation was between Razor and Mooar he did not want to keep him for year 2 but Mooar was contracted.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300483521/all-blacks-early-feedback-for-ian-foster-strong-as-season-review-continues
Having acknowledged the season-ending defeats in Dublin and Paris had generated plenty of heat, Robinson maintained there was still significant support for Foster from within his organisation.Mr. Robinson seems to miss the fact that he works for, and is employed by, all financial members of affiliated rugby clubs in New Zealand. How he would react to a survey of those members which just might show there is very little support for Mr. Foster and his fellow members of the coaching crew from within the owners of his organisation might see him struggling to defend his position of support for Mr. Foster.
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Might get an opinion on that one from Lachlan Boshier.
Touché!
