Favourite ( or worst ) Rugby cliches
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<p>I'm sure being a Rugby commentator is a tougher gig than many of us on here would imagine. Thank goodness there's always a few tried and tested clichés to fall back on when there's a lull in the action, it's not like cricket, you can't drone on about a seagull on the outfield, a hot chick in the crowd, an ocean liner going past or try and flog some shitty memorabilia that's signed by a bunch of old coots......</p>
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<p>So which are the worst/best ?</p>
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<p>As mentioned on another thread a few weeks back Nisbos "that tackle had to be made" is a beauty. Because when exactly does a tackle NOT have to be made or at least attempted ?</p>
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<p>When scoring, some guys are described as "knowing their way to the tryline"....I'd say all players do, even front rowers, it's just that the way is more than often blocked by defenders.</p>
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<p>When someone kicks for touch it is with the "educated right boot".......did the left boot wag lots and drop out in fifth form ? I've never gotten that one.</p>
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Pointing out this particular game consisted of two halves.
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<p>Not a cliche but a footy saying I dislike is "Pill"</p>
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<p>It's a ball</p>
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<p>I agree, Mind you scoring "Meat pies" and going to the bloodbin for a bit of "claret" is something I can tolerate strangely enough.</p> -
<p>"He is human" - when an 85% goal kicker misses a kick at goal.</p>
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<p>"Nothing was going to stop him from 5 metres out" - every player in the world can be stopped from 5 metres out against good defence.</p>
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<p>The whole all white centres are intelligent, all islanders centres are just battering rams things that's going around. It's bullshit, it's not all cliche, sometimes it's based on fact. I don't think Nonu/Smith was referred to as that for about 5 years ... but let's face it, for the first 5/6 years of their partnership Smith was the smaller white lawyer, and Nonu was the massive strong battering ram!</p>
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<p>I really hate it when facts are confused as some sort of racial bias.</p> -
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<p>"He's better than that"</p>
<p>"<strong>Second man play" (Laban)</strong></p>
<p>"125kg of prime Argentinian beef"</p>
<p>"Typical French flair"</p>
<p>"He's not that type of player"</p>
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<p>"Right/Left Foot Step"</p> -
<p>"Loves scoring tries"</p>
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<p>As opposed to indifference about scoring tries?</p> -
<p>"That’s a huge Gary Owen"</p>
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<p>“He digs like a demented mole"</p>
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<p>"Mercy me that could have put him in ward four"</p> -
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<p>"Mercy me that could have put him in ward four"</p>
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<p>"That’s a huge Gary Owen"</p>
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<p>“He digs like a demented mole"</p>
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<p>"Mercy me that could have put him in ward four"</p>
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<p>You've been playing Jonah Lomu Rugby on the playstation today haven't you?</p> -
I forget the correct expression for it, but these sorts of fillers while yr brain thinks what its going to say next are thousands of years old and go right back to the oral poets.<br><br>In Homer the greek galleys are always pulled up on the beach under the starry sky - even though its quite obvious that for that passage it is daytime.<br><br>Having said that sports casting does attract a lot of clichés and catch phrases. The rise of the "FINAL STANZA" in the last 20 years irritates me.<br><br>What about - they've come to play - doh<br><br>Keith Quinn contriving to somehow get the stats he'd learned into the commentary irrespective of its value was always 50/50 hilarious/annoying.
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<p>Being out-passioned or Just wanted it more</p>
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<p>One of my pet hates 'oooh, both teams have turned up to play rugby'</p>
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<p>As opposed to what exactly?</p>
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<p>Or the use of the word 'big' before someone's name, as if a viewer might somehow miss that forwards are tall and wide units.</p> -
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<p><strong>One of my pet hates 'oooh, both teams have turned up to play rugby'</strong></p>
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<p><strong>As opposed to what exactly?</strong></p>
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<p>Or the use of the word 'big' before someone's name, as if a viewer might somehow miss that forwards are tall and wide units.</p>
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<p>This one i don't mind so much. It's a clumsy way of saying it, but pro teams aren't always there mentally every game of a season, sometimes they are just off, and you can see it in their play. </p>
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<p>Like TR, i hate the "wanted it more" bullshit. Pro rugby has almost zero correlation to emotion, it's about structure, skill, and effort. Say it like it is, one team isn't as good skill wise, or their effort isn't there. </p> -
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<p>Being out-passioned or Just wanted it more</p>
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<p>That's a fucken shocker no doubt, but Phil Gould manages to make it worse in a league sense when he says one team "out origins" the other. ( shakes uncontrolably )</p> -
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<p>This one i don't mind so much. It's a clumsy way of saying it, but pro teams aren't always there mentally every game of a season, sometimes they are just off, and you can see it in their play. </p>
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<p>Like TR, i hate the "wanted it more" bullshit. Pro rugby has almost zero correlation to emotion, it's about structure, skill, and effort. Say it like it is, one team isn't as good skill wise, or their effort isn't there. </p>
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<p>Mariner, hate to be "that guy" (percy pedantic), but haven't you just contradicted yourself ;)</p> -
<p>yea, a little i guess. It's less commentators maybe, and more the great unwashed who like to say teams don't play with enough passion when they are losing. </p>
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<p>Maybe I'm not explaining it well. When i played i had days when, for what ever reason, i couldn't get in to the game. I wanted to, but mentally i wasn't in the right place. It wasn't my "passion", it's not that i "didn't want it" i just "hadn't turned up to play". </p> -
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<p>yea, a little i guess. It's less commentators maybe, and more the great unwashed who like to say teams don't play with enough passion when they are losing. </p>
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<p>Maybe I'm not explaining it well. When i played i had days when, for what ever reason, i couldn't get in to the game. I wanted to, but mentally i wasn't in the right place. It wasn't my "passion", it's not that i "didn't want it" <strong>i just "hadn't turned up to play". </strong></p>
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<p>maybe you just 'shouldnt' have turned up?</p>
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<p>I gave 100% every single time, some days things went well, others they didnt, but by god I hated losing...</p>
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<p>THats another cliche you used there, they just didnt turn up...um, ok</p> -
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<p>maybe you just 'shouldnt' have turned up?</p>
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<p>I gave 100% every single time, some days things went well, others they didnt, but by god I hated losing...</p>
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<p>THats another cliche you used there, they just didnt turn up...um, ok</p>
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<p>that was deliberate, i was trying to make a point.</p>
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<p>I honestly find it hard to believe you were at 100% every game. </p>
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<p>I knew i was off sometimes, i could feel the game passing by. Sometimes i didn't realise until i reviewed afterwards. </p>
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<p>In my last year i knew it, i often went through the motions in games i new we would win. I was still effective, but my effort wasn't at my usual output, because it didn't need to be. Not something I'm proud of, but that was the reality of the situation. It was a big part of the reason i retired. That, and i had started to dislike training.</p>
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<p>Anyway, i've digressed this thread enough. Summary: while clumsy, i think some of those cliches about "turning up" have some basis in reality. While at the same time i think any link to passion is mistaken</p> -
<p>It's a bit tough, because you could argue that pretty much all comments are what we can see on tv.</p>
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<p>Do any broadcasters have a mute commentators button where you can still hear the crowd, whistle, refs etc?</p>
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<p>That would be utopian viewing</p> -
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<p>that was deliberate, i was trying to make a point.</p>
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<p><strong>I honestly find it hard to believe you were at 100% every game. </strong></p>
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<p>I knew i was off sometimes, i could feel the game passing by. Sometimes i didn't realise until i reviewed afterwards. </p>
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<p>In my last year i knew it, i often went through the motions in games i new we would win. I was still effective, but my effort wasn't at my usual output, because it didn't need to be. Not something I'm proud of, but that was the reality of the situation. It was a big part of the reason i retired. That, and i had started to dislike training.</p>
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<p>Anyway, i've digressed this thread enough. Summary: while clumsy, i think some of those cliches about "turning up" have some basis in reality. While at the same time i think any link to passion is mistaken</p>
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<p>I said I gave it 100% every game, not I was AT 100% every game, big difference IMO.</p>
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<p>It's a bit tough, because you could argue that pretty much all comments are what we can see on tv.</p>
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<p>Do any broadcasters have a mute commentators button where you can still hear the crowd, whistle, refs etc?</p>
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<p>That would be utopian viewing</p>
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<p>No it wouldn't really you'd probably hear bits of delilah , hey baby and hooked on a feeling etc every time theres a stoppage in play. I've never been to a concert and had to put up with snippets of rugby commentary between songs, why can't they save this shit for the sevens?</p>
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<p>Can we add rugby league in here? "Thats an origin try", a try scored in an origin game is an origin try? Well I never Phil Gould.</p> -
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<p>No it wouldn't really you'd probably hear bits of delilah , hey baby and hooked on a feeling etc every time theres a stoppage in play. I've never been to a concert and had to put up with snippets of rugby commentary between songs, why can't they save this shit for the sevens?</p>
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<p>What, like you do now?</p> -
<p>Why do players call referees sir ? </p>
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<p>I could never bring myself to suck up that much . </p> -
<p>what did you call them?</p>
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<p>Throw ba</p>
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<p>Why do players call referees sir ? </p>
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<p>I could never bring myself to suck up that much . </p>
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<p>Throw back to the old private school days</p>
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<p>For years you could argue that rugby was only really played or accessible by all classes in NZ and Wales. Everywhere else it wasn't seen as a working class sport</p> -
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<p>what did you call them?</p>
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<p>"ref" always sufficed in NZ</p>
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<p>In Aus, I too was dismayed to hear "sir he's off side" back in the 80s though</p>
