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    All Blacks MOTM v Boks II

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    • Duluth
      Duluth last edited by

      3 votes

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      • Duluth
        Duluth last edited by

        Current standings

        12 Savea
        11 S Barrett
        6 R Ioane
        6 Smith
        5 Taukeiaho
        4 A Ioane
        4 Jordan
        3 Reece
        3 Bower
        2 Clarke
        2 Tupaea
        2 Retallick
        1 Whitelock

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        • No Quarter
          No Quarter last edited by

          Rieko and ST easily our best

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          • booboo
            booboo last edited by

            I am Groot
            Frizell (I hate myself)
            Mo'unga

            Honourable Mentions:
            DH
            Every tight forward

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            • booboo
              booboo last edited by

              Broadcasters pick Rieko

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              • MiketheSnow
                MiketheSnow last edited by

                Reiko, Ardie, Samisoni

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                • antipodean
                  antipodean last edited by

                  Taukeiaho's lineout throwing needs to improve. HIs workrate and carrying was very good.

                  Whitelock was good and bad. Gave way two penalties lifting legs in mauls, but a big turnover and tight work.

                  Rieko's defence and attack was massive. Deserving MotM performance.

                  Special mention to Frizell, Had a very good game until he left.

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                  • KiwiMurph
                    KiwiMurph last edited by

                    Rieko
                    Whitelock
                    Samisoni

                    Jason Ryan has done a wonderful job with the forwards.

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                    • MajorRage
                      MajorRage last edited by

                      Rieko, Frizell, Samisoni

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                      • ACT Crusader
                        ACT Crusader last edited by ACT Crusader

                        Ioane, De Groot, Frizell

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                          BerniesCorner last edited by

                          De Groot, Samisoni, Whitelock

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                          • Victor Meldrew
                            Victor Meldrew last edited by

                            Close call but Reiko, Ardie & Sam Whitelock for me.

                            Sami T, Frizzell, SB, DGroot, closely bubbling under. And I have to mention that Havili did OK in a pressure match.

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                              African Monkey last edited by

                              Rieko
                              Whitlock
                              De Groot

                              Honorable mentions to Frizzell and Mo'unga.

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                              • mariner4life
                                mariner4life last edited by

                                Ok someone is going to think I've been hacked but

                                JBarrett. His kicking but most importantly work in the air were the key reasons we won.
                                Sami T. Lineout was generally good when he was on (I think on first watch the 2 overthrows were miscommunication as everyone missed their assignment) and he was huge in the trenches.
                                S Frizzell. Not perfect, but a massive shift. Hit a thousand rucks, made tackles, carried in to their teeth

                                Honourable mentions to Ioane, who was huge on both sides of the ball, s Whitelock, and Mo'unga.

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                                • Nepia
                                  Nepia last edited by

                                  I finally think Scooter has a game worthy of the fluffing the Fern gives him after the match and he doesn’t appear to get many mentions in the thread (I haven’t voted yet so don’t know if he’s getting more votes than mentions).

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                                  • mariner4life
                                    mariner4life @Nepia last edited by

                                    @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                    I finally think Scooter has a game worthy of the fluffing the Fern gives him after the match and he doesn’t appear to get many mentions in the thread (I haven’t voted yet so don’t know if he’s getting more votes than mentions).

                                    Marshall of all people picked up his constant pressure on thr Bok 9's kicking game was key in that being a bit off. He had a huge game.

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                                    • Crucial
                                      Crucial last edited by

                                      I chucked a vote in for Cane. There may have been 3 better performances but he put in a huge spell that doesn’t seem to be getting much love. A number of times he had to cover ground to clean up after half breaks and breaks and his link play was good.
                                      It’s not his fault that he’s being asked to play a different role than we may expect

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                                      • Tim
                                        Tim @mariner4life last edited by Tim

                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                        @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                        I finally think Scooter has a game worthy of the fluffing the Fern gives him after the match and he doesn’t appear to get many mentions in the thread (I haven’t voted yet so don’t know if he’s getting more votes than mentions).

                                        Marshall of all people picked up his constant pressure on thr Bok 9's kicking game was key in that being a bit off. He had a huge game.

                                        Good example of that at 45:40. They got the ball back though. Followed by great Ioane cover defence.

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                                          BerniesCorner @Crucial last edited by BerniesCorner

                                          @Crucial Canes effort as always was massive and he does the grunt work He deserves this win. Really pleased for him.
                                          However the balance of the loosies isn't right. It would work better if Cane was at 6, we need a whippet at 7

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                                          • Crucial
                                            Crucial @BerniesCorner last edited by

                                            @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                            @Crucial Canes effort as always was massive and he does the grunt work He deserves this win. Really pleased for him.
                                            However the balance of the loosies isn't right. It would work better if Cane was at 6, we need a whippet at 7

                                            I get that but the current plan is two 7.5s not two 6/8s. I don’t think this crew see it as an imbalance, they see it as an advantage.
                                            What’s our current alternative? Ditch Cane or Ardie to the bench for Sotutu?

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                                            • MN5
                                              MN5 last edited by

                                              Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                              Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

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                                                BerniesCorner @Crucial last edited by

                                                @Crucial Absolute conservatism has made the forward pack struggle.
                                                There are players who have consistently done well in SR who weren't given a chance for so long.
                                                Finally De Groot, Newell, Samisoni, Bower have been given a chance to shine.
                                                Currently we don't have a quick loosie for turnovers. That's a big part of the game
                                                Sotutu has consistently also played well. It makes sense to at least have a look at Ardie 7 and Sotutu 8.
                                                In my view I would like the Captain to be Whitelock. He's got the CV and is an automatic pick until RWC 2023

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                                                • Chris B.
                                                  Chris B. @BerniesCorner last edited by

                                                  @BerniesCorner To be honest, only the reluctance to promote Sami T. to the starting line-up is a bit mystifying. Arguably, it's contributed significantly to costing Plumtree his job and a great sign that Ryan immediately made the switch from Taylor to Sami.

                                                  Bower has played 16 tests now - and he didn't have too many fans on the Fern during most of this Super season - I think I recall someone writing "Bower can fuck off"! 🙂 Newell is an absolute rookie, though very promising, and apparently de Groot turned up lacking fitness, so I'm supportive of giving him a solid kick in the arse.

                                                  The other guy who's not really getting the opportunities he probably deserves is Sotutu. He's in the unfortunate position of being behind Ardie at 8, who is a "must have" and Ardie can't be shifted to 7 because Sam C. is captain so also a "must have". I'd guess that if we win Argentina I, Hoskins will get his chance in Argentina II (assuming Fozzie retains the reins).

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                                                    BerniesCorner @Chris B. last edited by BerniesCorner

                                                    @Chris-B We are going to end up with pretty much the Crusaders backbone without the main man. NZRs fault.
                                                    Over the past 20 years GOAT and Read were automatic picks. SW is also an auto.

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                                                    • Bones
                                                      Bones @Chris B. last edited by

                                                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                      I think I recall someone writing "Bower can fuck off"!

                                                      I could be completely off base, but I do get a sneaking suspicion that could have been a certain poster who mysteriously promotes Hodgman above all others?

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                                                      • Chris B.
                                                        Chris B. @BerniesCorner last edited by

                                                        @BerniesCorner Not surprisingly, I would have picked Whitelock as captain, but I didn't mind the pick of Sam Cane.

                                                        The problem is, he's struggling to command his place and that's unbalancing our loosies.

                                                        I still reckon the scenario outlined by chchfanatic is a runner - though they might skip Joe Schmidt as the short run Head Coach.

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                                                        • Chris B.
                                                          Chris B. @Bones last edited by

                                                          @Bones Actually, he might have, but my memory is someone else.

                                                          My memory is a bit flawed these days though. 🙂

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                                                            nostrildamus @BerniesCorner last edited by

                                                            @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                            @Chris-B We are going to end up with pretty much the Crusaders backbone without the main man. NZRs fault.
                                                            Over the past 20 years GOAT and Read were automatic picks. SW is also an auto.

                                                            Oh you mean Razor?
                                                            I thought the current Mr Contrary poster on here was going to argue that it isn't Razor but Ryan that is the real reason for Crusaders success therefore we can keep Foster but luckily that fishing lure hasn't occurred to him yet.

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                                                            • Tim
                                                              Tim @Chris B. last edited by

                                                              @Chris-B That was in 2021. 😉

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                                                                nostrildamus @MN5 last edited by

                                                                @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                                                Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

                                                                Because Tonga beat Scotland in 2012 and anyone of Tongan descent feels your highland ire a decade later?
                                                                I'm guessing this is not true but a decade long burning sense of Utu is a great reason.

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                                                                • Chris B.
                                                                  Chris B. @Tim last edited by

                                                                  @Tim Wasn't you either! 🙂

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                                                                  • sparky
                                                                    sparky @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                    Ok someone is going to think I've been hacked but

                                                                    JBarrett. His kicking but most importantly work in the air were the key reasons we won.

                                                                    Always knew one day you'd acknowledge the brilliance of one the Canes' very finest. 🤣

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                                                                    • Nepia
                                                                      Nepia @nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                      Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                                                      Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

                                                                      Because Tonga beat Scotland in 2012 and anyone of Tongan descent feels your highland ire a decade later?
                                                                      I'm guessing this is not true but a decade long burning sense of Utu is a great reason.

                                                                      That’s clearly not it - he picked an actual Tongan as one of his other options.

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                                                                      • MN5
                                                                        MN5 @nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                        Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                                                        Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

                                                                        Because Tonga beat Scotland in 2012 and anyone of Tongan descent feels your highland ire a decade later?
                                                                        I'm guessing this is not true but a decade long burning sense of Utu is a great reason.

                                                                        Jesus Christ, what a bizarre post.

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                                                                          junior @Crucial last edited by

                                                                          @Crucial said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                          I chucked a vote in for Cane. There may have been 3 better performances but he put in a huge spell that doesn’t seem to be getting much love. A number of times he had to cover ground to clean up after half breaks and breaks and his link play was good.
                                                                          It’s not his fault that he’s being asked to play a different role than we may expect

                                                                          He was crucial to everything we did well in the first half

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                                                                            nostrildamus @MN5 last edited by

                                                                            @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                            @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                            Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                                                            Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

                                                                            Because Tonga beat Scotland in 2012 and anyone of Tongan descent feels your highland ire a decade later?
                                                                            I'm guessing this is not true but a decade long burning sense of Utu is a great reason.

                                                                            Jesus Christ, what a bizarre post.

                                                                            Really? It was just a test to see if you are like those Scottish men I know who hold obscure grudges that everyone else has forgotten about.

                                                                            Reminds me that my Glaswegian bro in law used to say 'While the Irish English and Welsh were fighting each other we were fighting our natural enemies: ourselves."

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                                                                            • MN5
                                                                              MN5 @nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                              @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                              @MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks II:

                                                                              Only saw the highlights, not the full game but went for Frizell, R Ioane and Savea.

                                                                              Havilii looked decent too but out of principle I can’t vote for him.

                                                                              Because Tonga beat Scotland in 2012 and anyone of Tongan descent feels your highland ire a decade later?
                                                                              I'm guessing this is not true but a decade long burning sense of Utu is a great reason.

                                                                              Jesus Christ, what a bizarre post.

                                                                              Really? It was just a test to see if you are like those Scottish men I know who hold obscure grudges that everyone else has forgotten about.

                                                                              Reminds me that my Glaswegian bro in law used to say 'While the Irish English and Welsh were fighting each other we were fighting our natural enemies: ourselves."

                                                                              Yeah but I’m from Wellington

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