All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.
I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok
) up was integral to that.I tend to think the reason we attacked from depth is the quick front foot ball we got so defence was on backfoot and our backs had the room to have the depth.
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@ACT-Crusader You may be correct in that they played with depth but without front foot ball in the forwards, which is been a developing problem since Hansen, we would not as played as well. Rush defense was non existent with the Bok going backwards.
I agree Moanga played well and his kicking and distribution was excellent.
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@broughie playing with a bit of speed and depth makes the defence harder to reset and come up wave after wave, which we allowed in the Irish tests purely by playing so flat and static.
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@taniwharugby not disagreeing but it should be common knowledge now that our forwards set the table for our success. Jeez. I can not believe I am defending this position? Show me a winning side and 9 times out of 10 they are winning the forward battle. Is this partly why we don’t think Foster is a good coach and why they brought in Ryan? Why did we lose the semifinal against England? What about Ireland? What about Australia in Perth. France etc etc.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby not disagreeing but it should be common knowledge now that our forwards set the table for our success. Jeez. I can not believe I am defending this position? Show me a winning side and 9 times out of 10 they are winning the forward battle. Is this partly why we don’t think Foster is a good coach and why they brought in Ryan? Why did we lose the semifinal against England? What about Ireland? What about Australia in Perth. France etc etc.
Backs win rugby matches and get the women
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby not disagreeing but it should be common knowledge now that our forwards set the table for our success. Jeez. I can not believe I am defending this position? Show me a winning side and 9 times out of 10 they are winning the forward battle. Is this partly why we don’t think Foster is a good coach and why they brought in Ryan? Why did we lose the semifinal against England? What about Ireland? What about Australia in Perth. France etc etc.
Backs win rugby matches and get the women
Yep but only get the women when the forwards pss them back to you!!!
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The list of players released for the NPC probably hints at the selections for this game:
Counties Manukau: Nepo Laulala, Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu
Taranaki: Stephen Perofeta
Canterbury: Braydon Ennor
Northland: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Jack Goodhue
Wellington: Dane Coles
Ta$man: Leicester Fainga'anuku, Sevu Reece
Otago: Josh Dickson
Auckland: Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Bay of Plenty: Aidan Ross
Hawke’s Bay: Folau FakatavaSo no player from the 23 that played SA is released. So maybe a similar 23 vs Argentina?
I think the only players who didn't play in the weekend that weren't released are Ta'avao and Tuipulotu. Are there any injuries? Perhaps Whitelock is getting a rest?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth pretty sweet backline there.
and Ennor......
Gets a new lease of life at fullback.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth pretty sweet backline there.
and Ennor......
id still take him at NPC level
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I think the biggest issue facing The Fern around Frizell's selection is working out if Frizzel is spelt with two Zs and one L, or one Z and two Ls or two Zs and two Ls. However, we can probably be certain Frizel is not spelt with one Z and one L.
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@Crazy-Horse at least his first name isn't Richard.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think the biggest issue facing The Fern around Frizell's selection is working out if Frizzel is spelt with two Zs and one L, or one Z and two Ls or two Zs and two Ls. However, we can probably be certain Frizel is not spelt with one Z and one L.
Predictive text only recognises frizzle, so I'm sticking with that
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader The primary reason why the backs played so much better is that we had a competitive forward pack on Saturday which has been the problem all along. I might even accept Havilli at 2nd five if he is not on the back foot all the time.
I'd say a primary reason was we played with depth so we could better attack from too. It enabled us to better manage the rush defence which the Boks centre their defence and attack off. Plus having a 1st 5 that has an intent to attack and set his outsides (and the odd Bok
) up was integral to that.I tend to think the reason we attacked from depth is the quick front foot ball we got so defence was on backfoot and our backs had the room to have the depth.
The 10 sets the depth. Ironically when ball is quick depth is less on an issue as defences on back foot.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think the biggest issue facing The Fern around Frizell's selection is working out if Frizzel is spelt with two Zs and one L, or one Z and two Ls or two Zs and two Ls. However, we can probably be certain Frizel is not spelt with one Z and one L.
When has the Fern ever cared about how to spell names? I doubt Messam and Weber have ever had their names spelt correctly for two posts in a row.
Anyway just as easy to call him Shannon, the shittiest town in one of the shittiest province, it's very apt.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The list of players released for the NPC probably hints at the selections for this game:
Counties Manukau: Nepo Laulala, Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu
Taranaki: Stephen Perofeta
Canterbury: Braydon Ennor
Northland: Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Jack Goodhue
Wellington: Dane Coles
Ta$man: Leicester Fainga'anuku, Sevu Reece
Otago: Josh Dickson
Auckland: Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Bay of Plenty: Aidan Ross
Hawke’s Bay: Folau FakatavaSo no player from the 23 that played SA is released. So maybe a similar 23 vs Argentina?
I think the only players who didn't play in the weekend that weren't released are Ta'avao and Tuipulotu. Are there any injuries? Perhaps Whitelock is getting a rest?
I think Coles was only one who played in SA. I suspect more about blowing off some rust and having full squad available for P1.
No commentary regarding Patty T!
