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    • BartMan
      BartMan last edited by Duluth

      Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

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      • MiketheSnow
        MiketheSnow @BartMan last edited by

        @BartMan said in All Black backline:

        Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

        ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time

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        • Tim
          Tim last edited by Tim

          The backline would be OK if the forwards weren't so dog shit.

          They scored an absolutely beautiful try when they had the chance.

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          • BartMan
            BartMan @Tim last edited by

            @Tim said in All Black backline:

            The backline would be OK if the forwards weren't so dog shit.

            They scored an absolutely beautiful try when they had the chance.

            It is true if our pack was dominating we'd be doing better, but they have offered less than.any team.that i can remember for years.

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              nostrildamus @MiketheSnow last edited by

              @MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:

              @BartMan said in All Black backline:

              Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

              ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time

              I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.

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              • MiketheSnow
                MiketheSnow @nostrildamus last edited by

                @nostrildamus said in All Black backline:

                @MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:

                @BartMan said in All Black backline:

                Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

                ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time

                I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.

                Was good enough

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                • Paekakboyz
                  Paekakboyz @nostrildamus last edited by

                  @nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure 🙂

                  Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.

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                  • Paekakboyz
                    Paekakboyz last edited by

                    and while pace never hurts 13 is all about positioning, vision, and anticipation. Goodhue wasn't on Conrad's level but aside from ALB he's been the best we've had for a long while.

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                    • Machpants
                      Machpants @MiketheSnow last edited by

                      @MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:

                      @BartMan said in All Black backline:

                      Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

                      ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time

                      Goodhue is gone burgers, he's the kahui of today's ABs without the timing to be fit when needed for the cup. Really it is ALB, who is injured. But he's our only midfielder with Conrad rugby brains. He is a 13, like the lawyer, and also not huge. SO we need a big 12 who can hit the line. Thus Havili is totally out, so Tupuea need sthe game time. Or Jordie, or just someone who can bend the line - something that our tens or 13s can't. Ioane is so shit in his defensive reads at 13, he should be on the wing, he so fucking aweome there. So really we need to place our top players well. Havilli/Ioane is in no way the answer. But until we lose the bled in 4 weeks time, it's probably what we are stuck with

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                        nostrildamus @MiketheSnow last edited by

                        @MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:

                        @nostrildamus said in All Black backline:

                        @MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:

                        @BartMan said in All Black backline:

                        Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.

                        ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time

                        I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.

                        Was good enough

                        Don't get me wrong, great rugby brain and distributor but his knee injury issues are apparently a real concern AFAIK.

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                        • FakatavaAllBlack
                          FakatavaAllBlack @Machpants last edited by

                          @Machpants I know of a big 12 that can hit the line but said guy is always getting niggly injuries😔

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                          • ACT Crusader
                            ACT Crusader @FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                            @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Black backline:

                            @Machpants I know of a big 12 that can hit the line but said guy is always getting niggly injuries😔

                            I know one too, but he seems to always have an 8 on his back instead of a 12.

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                            • sparky
                              sparky last edited by

                              Havili doesn't convince me at all. Time to give RTS a shot at 12.

                              Happier at 13 with Reiko and AlB once he's fit again.

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                                98blueandgold last edited by

                                ALB is a lock at centre, he is good leadership calm, plays well in close qtrs and workmate off the ball.
                                I would gamble on Thomas U-J If he could stay healthy at 12. X factor, combative can play in traffic and disrupt rush defences. Clarke I would continue with but he needs to increase his carrying in the middle, he is a weapon at getting over advantage line. Sometimes I wonder if we pick with the right mentality, always looking for the ‘best’ player rather then the one that is suited to play at that level. (If that makes sense) that’s why we continue with Havili, he probably is the best player at super level but we all know he isn’t suited to the international game.

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                                • Crucial
                                  Crucial last edited by

                                  All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                                  For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                                  No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                                  Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                                  Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                                  I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

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                                  • Crazy Horse
                                    Crazy Horse @Crucial last edited by

                                    @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                    All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                                    For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                                    No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                                    Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                                    Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                                    I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                                    Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                                    So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

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                                    • Crucial
                                      Crucial @Crazy Horse last edited by

                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

                                      @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                      All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                                      For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                                      No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                                      Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                                      Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                                      I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                                      Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                                      So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

                                      As I said though, IMO neither RM or BB are the answer to start against teams that get in our faces. I'd be happy with any other suggestions but apart from them Perofeta and DMac would be our only other options.
                                      I'd like to see Perofeta being given a game where he is prepared by the coaches to go out there as a conductor and not the cymbal player.

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                                      • MN5
                                        MN5 @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                        @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                        @nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure 🙂

                                        Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.

                                        Smith was actually pretty quick if memory serves. I’m 100% sure Goodhue wouldn’t have skinned him even at his best.

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                                        • Paekakboyz
                                          Paekakboyz @MN5 last edited by

                                          @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

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                                          • MN5
                                            MN5 @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                            @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                            @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                                            @Bones has joined the chat

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                                            • Stag
                                              Stag last edited by

                                              9.Smith
                                              10. Richie
                                              11. Ioane
                                              12. Anton
                                              13. Goodhue
                                              14. Reece
                                              15. Jordan

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                                              • Dice
                                                Dice @Crazy Horse last edited by

                                                @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

                                                @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                                All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                                                For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                                                No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                                                Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                                                Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                                                I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                                                Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                                                So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

                                                Perofeta did get a few starts at 10 for the Blues this season and looked sharp there. He also finished some games at 10.

                                                I think he got an AB spot because he performed at 10 and not just at 15. If he only performed at 15, I'm not sure he makes the All Blacks.

                                                In saying that, I would probably wait for Japan to get him a chance at 10.

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                                                • Crucial
                                                  Crucial @Stag last edited by

                                                  @Stag said in All Black backline:

                                                  9.Smith
                                                  10. Richie
                                                  11. Ioane
                                                  12. Anton
                                                  13. Goodhue
                                                  14. Reece
                                                  15. Jordan

                                                  Yuck. That wouldn’t solve anything.

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                                                  • Crucial
                                                    Crucial @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                                    @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                                    @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                                                    If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

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                                                    • Paekakboyz
                                                      Paekakboyz @Crucial last edited by Paekakboyz

                                                      @Crucial 100%. I have to admit any 13 prospect with genuine pace gets me going, but so far they've been lacking in other areas. While he's a 12 I'm still waiting for RTS to get a shot in a game of significance as well.

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                                                      • Duluth
                                                        Duluth @Crazy Horse last edited by Duluth

                                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

                                                        Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                                                        So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

                                                        Just slightly more than bugger all. Four starts and he finished a lot of games at ten.

                                                        He keeps getting played at 15 because that's his better position. From fullback he manages to break a lot of tackles when it looks like the defence already has him

                                                        He's a bit like McKenzie. Clearly a better fullback and a useful squad option as a 3rd/4th ten

                                                        The two guys in front of him are better.

                                                        They both might benefit from a genuine second play maker though. Havili has not really been used like that, Jordie isn't offering it from fullback. Perofeta at 15 is something worth looking at

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                                                          Yeahtheboys last edited by Yeahtheboys

                                                          My Power rankings

                                                          1. Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
                                                          2. Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
                                                          3. Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
                                                          4. ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
                                                          5. ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
                                                          6. Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
                                                          7. Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden

                                                          What id love to see

                                                          1. Smith
                                                          2. Beauden
                                                          3. Ioane
                                                          4. Jordie
                                                          5. ALB
                                                          6. Reece
                                                          7. Jordan

                                                          While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                                          1. Christie / Weber
                                                          2. McKenzie
                                                          3. RTS
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                                                            Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                            Alternatively, since I love watching the world crash and burn, I’d love to see

                                                            1. TJ
                                                            2. McKenzie
                                                            3. Bridge
                                                            4. Havili
                                                            5. Ennor
                                                            6. Jordie
                                                            7. Beauden
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                                                            • Crucial
                                                              Crucial @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                              @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                                              While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                                              RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?

                                                              Yeah right.

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                                                              • Duluth
                                                                Duluth @Crucial last edited by

                                                                @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                                                @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                                                While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                                                RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?

                                                                Yeah right.

                                                                If he gets a start it will be with his SR centre partner. Maybe outside his SR ten too

                                                                Of the people in the squad I wouldn't mind seeing QT/RI again with RTS on the bench. The other options all straighten more than DH

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                                                                • MN5
                                                                  MN5 @Crucial last edited by

                                                                  @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                                                  @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                                                  @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                                                                  If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

                                                                  Looks like he has a touch of Ronan O’Gara/Merhts in him too.

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                                                                  • KiwiMurph
                                                                    KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                    Lam would be such a better pick than Ennor.

                                                                    Though it matters little when half the squad never plays anyway.

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                                                                    • antipodean
                                                                      antipodean @Stag last edited by

                                                                      @Stag said in All Black backline:

                                                                      1. Anton

                                                                      The one yet to come back from shoulder surgery?

                                                                      1. Goodhue

                                                                      The same Goodhue that hasn't played Test rugby in two years and is getting knee surgery?

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                                                                        Yeahtheboys @Crucial last edited by

                                                                        @Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.

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                                                                          Yeahtheboys @Crucial last edited by

                                                                          @Crucial they only play RTS at 12 because that’s the only gap left at the Blues

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                                                                          • KiwiMurph
                                                                            KiwiMurph @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                                            @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                                                            @Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.

                                                                            Well since that appearance the backs coach and 2 of the 3 selectors are gone.

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                                                                            • Paekakboyz
                                                                              Paekakboyz @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                                              @Yeahtheboys he couldn't displace Reiko at the blues so he's unlikely to do that for the ABs. He's def a 12 imo. Great footwork in traffic and a good defender. He didnt play centre in the NRL, and if he had schoolboy exp at 13 that's a long time ago.

                                                                              If they see him as a 13 then something has to happen at SR and domestic level.

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                                                                                Yeahtheboys @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                                                                @Paekakboyz they already had

                                                                                1. Christie
                                                                                2. Beauden
                                                                                3. Clarke
                                                                                4. tumbleweed
                                                                                5. Rieko
                                                                                6. Talea
                                                                                7. Perofeta / Sullivan

                                                                                So they started the “RTS is a 12” rumour.

                                                                                RTS is an amazing athlete and would definitely be a class 12 but I think his best position is further out

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                                                                                • MN5
                                                                                  MN5 @antipodean last edited by

                                                                                  @antipodean said in All Black backline:

                                                                                  @Stag said in All Black backline:

                                                                                  1. Anton

                                                                                  The one yet to come back from shoulder surgery?

                                                                                  1. Goodhue

                                                                                  The same Goodhue that hasn't played Test rugby in two years and is getting knee surgery?

                                                                                  These two get more ridiculous fern fluffing than Charlie Ngatai got

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                                                                                  • FakatavaAllBlack
                                                                                    FakatavaAllBlack @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                                                    @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                                                                    My Power rankings

                                                                                    1. Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
                                                                                    2. Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
                                                                                    3. Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
                                                                                    4. ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
                                                                                    5. ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
                                                                                    6. Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
                                                                                    7. Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden

                                                                                    What id love to see

                                                                                    1. Smith
                                                                                    2. Beauden
                                                                                    3. Ioane
                                                                                    4. Jordie
                                                                                    5. ALB
                                                                                    6. Reece
                                                                                    7. Jordan

                                                                                    While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                                                                    1. Christie / Weber
                                                                                    2. McKenzie
                                                                                    3. RTS

                                                                                    Fakatava 4th in your power rankings and no TUJ to be seen😔

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