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Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
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@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
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The backline would be OK if the forwards weren't so dog shit.
They scored an absolutely beautiful try when they had the chance.
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@Tim said in All Black backline:
The backline would be OK if the forwards weren't so dog shit.
They scored an absolutely beautiful try when they had the chance.
It is true if our pack was dominating we'd be doing better, but they have offered less than.any team.that i can remember for years.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.
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@nostrildamus said in All Black backline:
@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.
Was good enough
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@nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure
Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.
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and while pace never hurts 13 is all about positioning, vision, and anticipation. Goodhue wasn't on Conrad's level but aside from ALB he's been the best we've had for a long while.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
Goodhue is gone burgers, he's the kahui of today's ABs without the timing to be fit when needed for the cup. Really it is ALB, who is injured. But he's our only midfielder with Conrad rugby brains. He is a 13, like the lawyer, and also not huge. SO we need a big 12 who can hit the line. Thus Havili is totally out, so Tupuea need sthe game time. Or Jordie, or just someone who can bend the line - something that our tens or 13s can't. Ioane is so shit in his defensive reads at 13, he should be on the wing, he so fucking aweome there. So really we need to place our top players well. Havilli/Ioane is in no way the answer. But until we lose the bled in 4 weeks time, it's probably what we are stuck with
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@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@nostrildamus said in All Black backline:
@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
I'm afraid Goodhue's pace was never a strength and may now be worse.
Was good enough
Don't get me wrong, great rugby brain and distributor but his knee injury issues are apparently a real concern AFAIK.
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@Machpants I know of a big 12 that can hit the line but said guy is always getting niggly injuries😔
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Black backline:
@Machpants I know of a big 12 that can hit the line but said guy is always getting niggly injuries😔
I know one too, but he seems to always have an 8 on his back instead of a 12.
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Havili doesn't convince me at all. Time to give RTS a shot at 12.
Happier at 13 with Reiko and AlB once he's fit again.
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ALB is a lock at centre, he is good leadership calm, plays well in close qtrs and workmate off the ball.
I would gamble on Thomas U-J If he could stay healthy at 12. X factor, combative can play in traffic and disrupt rush defences. Clarke I would continue with but he needs to increase his carrying in the middle, he is a weapon at getting over advantage line. Sometimes I wonder if we pick with the right mentality, always looking for the ‘best’ player rather then the one that is suited to play at that level. (If that makes sense) that’s why we continue with Havili, he probably is the best player at super level but we all know he isn’t suited to the international game. -
All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t. -
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.
So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.
So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.
As I said though, IMO neither RM or BB are the answer to start against teams that get in our faces. I'd be happy with any other suggestions but apart from them Perofeta and DMac would be our only other options.
I'd like to see Perofeta being given a game where he is prepared by the coaches to go out there as a conductor and not the cymbal player. -
@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure
Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.
Smith was actually pretty quick if memory serves. I’m 100% sure Goodhue wouldn’t have skinned him even at his best.
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@MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.
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@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.
@Bones has joined the chat
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9.Smith
10. Richie
11. Ioane
12. Anton
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:
@Crucial said in All Black backline:
All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.
So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.
Perofeta did get a few starts at 10 for the Blues this season and looked sharp there. He also finished some games at 10.
I think he got an AB spot because he performed at 10 and not just at 15. If he only performed at 15, I'm not sure he makes the All Blacks.
In saying that, I would probably wait for Japan to get him a chance at 10.
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@Stag said in All Black backline:
9.Smith
10. Richie
11. Ioane
12. Anton
13. Goodhue
14. Reece
15. JordanYuck. That wouldn’t solve anything.
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@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.
If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.
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@Crucial 100%. I have to admit any 13 prospect with genuine pace gets me going, but so far they've been lacking in other areas. While he's a 12 I'm still waiting for RTS to get a shot in a game of significance as well.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:
Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.
So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.
Just slightly more than bugger all. Four starts and he finished a lot of games at ten.
He keeps getting played at 15 because that's his better position. From fullback he manages to break a lot of tackles when it looks like the defence already has him
He's a bit like McKenzie. Clearly a better fullback and a useful squad option as a 3rd/4th ten
The two guys in front of him are better.
They both might benefit from a genuine second play maker though. Havili has not really been used like that, Jordie isn't offering it from fullback. Perofeta at 15 is something worth looking at
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My Power rankings
- Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
- Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
- Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
- ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
- ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
- Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
- Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden
What id love to see
- Smith
- Beauden
- Ioane
- Jordie
- ALB
- Reece
- Jordan
While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13
- Christie / Weber
- McKenzie
- RTS
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Alternatively, since I love watching the world crash and burn, I’d love to see
- TJ
- McKenzie
- Bridge
- Havili
- Ennor
- Jordie
- Beauden
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13
RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?
Yeah right.
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@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13
RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?
Yeah right.
If he gets a start it will be with his SR centre partner. Maybe outside his SR ten too
Of the people in the squad I wouldn't mind seeing QT/RI again with RTS on the bench. The other options all straighten more than DH
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@Crucial said in All Black backline:
@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.
If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.
Looks like he has a touch of Ronan O’Gara/Merhts in him too.
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Lam would be such a better pick than Ennor.
Though it matters little when half the squad never plays anyway.
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@Stag said in All Black backline:
- Anton
The one yet to come back from shoulder surgery?
- Goodhue
The same Goodhue that hasn't played Test rugby in two years and is getting knee surgery?
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@Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.
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@Crucial they only play RTS at 12 because that’s the only gap left at the Blues
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
@Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.
Well since that appearance the backs coach and 2 of the 3 selectors are gone.
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@Yeahtheboys he couldn't displace Reiko at the blues so he's unlikely to do that for the ABs. He's def a 12 imo. Great footwork in traffic and a good defender. He didnt play centre in the NRL, and if he had schoolboy exp at 13 that's a long time ago.
If they see him as a 13 then something has to happen at SR and domestic level.
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@Paekakboyz they already had
- Christie
- Beauden
- Clarke
- tumbleweed
- Rieko
- Talea
- Perofeta / Sullivan
So they started the “RTS is a 12” rumour.
RTS is an amazing athlete and would definitely be a class 12 but I think his best position is further out
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@antipodean said in All Black backline:
@Stag said in All Black backline:
- Anton
The one yet to come back from shoulder surgery?
- Goodhue
The same Goodhue that hasn't played Test rugby in two years and is getting knee surgery?
These two get more ridiculous fern fluffing than Charlie Ngatai got
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
My Power rankings
- Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
- Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
- Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
- ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
- ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
- Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
- Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden
What id love to see
- Smith
- Beauden
- Ioane
- Jordie
- ALB
- Reece
- Jordan
While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13
- Christie / Weber
- McKenzie
- RTS
Fakatava 4th in your power rankings and no TUJ to be seen😔
