Who are you watching as priority?
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Vote as if you do have the option.
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"Which nation wearing red and white do I want to see destroyed live?" poll...
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As I've mentioned, the decision is easy as I don't have a Spark Sport subscription.
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@NTA Have you seen the possible AB team? Bejesus!
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I have access to both Sky Sport and Spark Sport. Putting it bluntly, I will be watching the All Blacks every day of the week because I have a lot more invested interest in the men's game vs the women's game.
Some of the disgruntlement around scheduling in the media is a little over the top. I feel like the Women's game really has a chip on their shoulders because the Men are more relevant.
Who really cares anyway, if someone wants to watch both they can flick between channels or record one of the games to watch later.
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@booboo I voted with that in mind before posting my comment.
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@Canes4life said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Some of the disgruntlement around scheduling in the media is a little over the top. I feel like the Women's game really has a chip on their shoulders because the Men are more relevant.
I think that it is more that some advocates are pointing out that the NZR cockup is a sign of them still not supporting the womens game as strongly as they make out. That is a good thing to point out IMO.
'Relevancy' is an opinion. Do you really think that NZR sponsors don't care about an encompassing market?Anyway, because flicking between platforms is a pain when using apps I will start with the Japan game then watch the BFs with interest (I want to see how their development looks with the A team and their chances for further progress). I will go back to watch the second half of the ABs game. So none of the above options.
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since when is NZR in charge of Japan's scheduling? We are the guest, we play when they want us to.
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No, we should be demanding the host acquiesce to our wish to place the women's fixture in primacy, despite the clear viewership and financial indications to the contrary.
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At the time the bookings were made for the AB/Japan match did the NZR even know that the black ferns would be playing Wales at that particular time and on that day?
Or are people getting upset that the NZR's crystal ball for picking the finishing order for the woman's world cup 1/4 finals malfunctioned?
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Nothing in there for 'neither, family commitments'
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To be perfectly honest, if I didn't have tickets yo the BF game, I'd probably just watch extended highlights of both, neither capture my attention enough as a priority, opposition play a part in that for both, but for the ABs I need to find a reason to love watching them again.
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No bloody provider is showing the ABs v Japan here in UK. Presumably they don't think there is enough Japanese or NZrers here to be interested in take-up. All obscure league and T20 matches are being shown of course though.
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@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:
@Canes4life said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Some of the disgruntlement around scheduling in the media is a little over the top. I feel like the Women's game really has a chip on their shoulders because the Men are more relevant.
I think that it is more that some advocates are pointing out that the NZR cockup is a sign of them still not supporting the womens game as strongly as they make out. That is a good thing to point out IMO.
'Relevancy' is an opinion. Do you really think that NZR sponsors don't care about an encompassing market?Anyway, because flicking between platforms is a pain when using apps I will start with the Japan game then watch the BFs with interest (I want to see how their development looks with the A team and their chances for further progress). I will go back to watch the second half of the ABs game. So none of the above options.
I would put that under watching BFs as your priority.
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Double screening - both games being on Stan here makes it easy.
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@Windows97 said in Who are you watching as priority?:
At the time the bookings were made for the AB/Japan match did the NZR even know that the black ferns would be playing Wales at that particular time and on that day?
Or are people getting upset that the NZR's crystal ball for picking the finishing order for the woman's world cup 1/4 finals malfunctioned?
I understand that, as host, if BFs made the QF then that is the time/date they'd be playing. Info was available but they didn't check.
Secondly NZR probably could have negotiated the kick off time if they knew the QF timing. Too late to change now.
However, my preference is to watch the ABs. Which seems reflected in the general sentiment on here (last time I checked the poll).
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@booboo said in Who are you watching as priority?:
@Windows97 said in Who are you watching as priority?:
At the time the bookings were made for the AB/Japan match did the NZR even know that the black ferns would be playing Wales at that particular time and on that day?
Or are people getting upset that the NZR's crystal ball for picking the finishing order for the woman's world cup 1/4 finals malfunctioned?
I understand that, as host, if BFs made the QF then that is the time/date they'd be playing. Info was available but they didn't check.
Secondly NZR probably could have negotiated the kick off time if they knew the QF timing. Too late to change now.
However, my preference is to watch the ABs. Which seems reflected in the general sentiment on here (last time I checked the poll).
Yes. Has always been stated in the RWC draw that if the hosts made the quarters they would play in that game at that time. This was partly because of the ticketing structure where fans could by a ticket for all BF games including the quarter, or a ticket for all games at a particular venue. This strategy has worked well at Whangarei where crowds have been very good and the town has almost been the defacto host of the tournament.
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No brainer for me. ABs all the way Women's rugby hasn't grabbed me yet
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if the allblacks starts first , then thats the game ill continue to watch ,
Then go back and watch the black ferns on replay ,
if the second game was much more of a must watch id probably switch over when it starts , but in this case ill probably keep it simple
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@KiwiMurph said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Double screening - both games being on Stan here makes it easy.
A pity they don't have the one decent thing about Kayo, screen in a box. But yeah, I'll probably double screen with TV and laptop.
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I picked ABs, I'll be double screening, but sound and tv ABs, iPad sound off Ferns. The Scottish guy from Ferald made a good point. If Women's rugby wants to go forward, it must stand on its own two feet - there are limited watching times for rugby, so it'll have to compete one day
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ABs then Black Caps.
Will watch the BF highlights during the cricket.
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I read the question wrong and picked BFs.
If both games were on Sky, I'd indeed watch the BFs live because it's a World Cup QF and the ABs game is just a meaningless money grab. But I don't have Spark Sport, so I'll watch the ABs live and the replay of the BFs game on TV3.
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@Stargazer said in Who are you watching as priority?:
I read the question wrong and picked BFs.
If both games were on Sky, I'd indeed watch the BFs live because it's a World Cup QF and the ABs game is just a meaningless money grab. But I don't have Spark Sport, so I'll watch the ABs live and the replay of the BFs game on TV3.
I think the correct term is “friendly”….or are we not allowed to use that term now Jaguars what’s his name got banned ?
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First half of the AB's then flick it over and watch the Black Ferns. Watch the second half of the ABs later on.
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@Stargazer said in Who are you watching as priority?:
I read the question wrong and picked BFs.
If both games were on Sky, I'd indeed watch the BFs live because it's a World Cup QF and the ABs game is just a meaningless money grab. But I don't have Spark Sport, so I'll watch the ABs live and the replay of the BFs game on TV3.
We are growing the game….
I think it’s a good fixture heading into a northern tour.
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@Stargazer said in Who are you watching as priority?:
I read the question wrong and picked BFs.
If both games were on Sky, I'd indeed watch the BFs live because it's a World Cup QF and the ABs game is just a meaningless money grab. But I don't have Spark Sport, so I'll watch the ABs live and the replay of the BFs game on TV3.
Think you answered as intended.
How is it a "meaningless cash grab", moreso than any of the other non-competition tests on this tour?
Do you think Japan will treat this as meaningless?
We don't play"friendlies".
Respect your choice though.
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@Yeetyaah said in Who are you watching as priority?:
First half of the AB's then flick it over and watch the Black Ferns. Watch the second half of the ABs later on.
So your priority is BFs.
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Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.
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Heard Elliot Smith on the ZB sports show with Darcy Waldegrave.
Basically there is no option for an alternative kick off due to baseball play offs.
So yes, NZR fucked up, but there was no option anyway.
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Currently 71% to 18% ..
FYI... interview with Louusa Wall ..
7:15 am Thursday from 3:13 in.
You 71% "are out of line in New Zealand .." according to Wall.
Also ..
"The public [are wanting the Black Ferns to be the priority]"
...and it was an intentional decision by NZR...
Hosking's comment that the ABs are understandably the priority is correct as the money they generate funds all the levels below. Including the BFs.
So accept that that the blokes are subsidising you, or get paid less.
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@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.
Personally I’ll be watching the BFs going for silverware than a fairly meaningless game by 2nd string ABs vs Japan.
TBH I’ll be watching both games on replay but the Japan game is a bit meh. Probably most interested to see how RTS goes in a start.
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@booboo said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Currently 71% to 18% ..
FYI... interview with Louusa Wall ..
7:15 am Thursday from 3:13 in.
You 71% "are out of line in New Zealand .." according to Wall.
Also ..
"The public [are wanting the Black Ferns to be the priority]"
...and it was an intentional decision by NZR...
Hosking's comment that the ABs are understandably the priority is correct as the money they generate funds all the levels below. Including the BFs.
So accept that that the blokes are subsidising you, or get paid less.
Not necessarily the case. As NZRPA rightly point out, the women’s game has huge value to sponsors. They actively encourage the growth.
The concept that it is solely eyes on the tv that generates cash is incorrect. -
@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:
@booboo said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Currently 71% to 18% ..
FYI... interview with Louusa Wall ..
7:15 am Thursday from 3:13 in.
You 71% "are out of line in New Zealand .." according to Wall.
Also ..
"The public [are wanting the Black Ferns to be the priority]"
...and it was an intentional decision by NZR...
Hosking's comment that the ABs are understandably the priority is correct as the money they generate funds all the levels below. Including the BFs.
So accept that that the blokes are subsidising you, or get paid less.
Not necessarily the case. As NZRPA rightly point out, the women’s game has huge value to sponsors. They actively encourage the growth.
The concept that it is solely eyes on the tv that generates cash is incorrect.Possibly overstating my case. There's a big potential market in women's rugby, at least bigger than it is now. But it’s likely to remain smaller than men's and I suspect the latter will continue to support the former.
Also, can't remember if I got around to mentioning, but seems the ABs match was very limited for time slots because of the baseball playoffs.
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@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.
Here in Australia they play a womens version of afl ,
I find that one to be the worst of the womens football codes , the skills required to play that game seem to be more difficult for them to master .
I kind of think womens league is probably the most watchable of the lot , closely followed by Union .
But will take the mens footy codes any day of the week as a better option , but in saying that , still supporting the blacks ferns out of patriotism
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@booboo said in Who are you watching as priority?:
@Crucial said in Who are you watching as priority?:
@booboo said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Currently 71% to 18% ..
FYI... interview with Louusa Wall ..
7:15 am Thursday from 3:13 in.
You 71% "are out of line in New Zealand .." according to Wall.
Also ..
"The public [are wanting the Black Ferns to be the priority]"
...and it was an intentional decision by NZR...
Hosking's comment that the ABs are understandably the priority is correct as the money they generate funds all the levels below. Including the BFs.
So accept that that the blokes are subsidising you, or get paid less.
Not necessarily the case. As NZRPA rightly point out, the women’s game has huge value to sponsors. They actively encourage the growth.
The concept that it is solely eyes on the tv that generates cash is incorrect.Possibly overstating my case. There's a big potential market in women's rugby, at least bigger than it is now. But it’s likely to remain smaller than men's and I suspect the latter will continue to support the former.
Also, can't remember if I got around to mentioning, but seems the ABs match was very limited for time slots because of the baseball playoffs.
I think the baseball game is after the ABs from something I read. It doesn't really matter what the details or what could or couldn't be done. The fact is that they missed it from the start which is a pointer to NZR not being very well organised.
Your two flagship XVs teams are playing and you don't even realise that there is a clash. Do they not have calendars?One does not 'support' the other. That is a very simplistic view.
There is an 'association' aspect for sponsors, for example, where people may view a company positively because of their support or stated aims.By the way the viewing numbers in the UK for the Womens RWC final last tournament were 50% of the mens and I expect that will be higher this time.
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@Frank said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Women's rugby sucks and no amount of marketing BS will convince me otherwise.
I'm sure that my disagreement with this comment is no surprise but I wonder what you are looking for in a rugby game?
I like watching it because (as I have stated before), all of the things that professionalism 'ruined' in the game still shine at that level. You have some extremely skilled play (and some not) that gives some wow moments. Sure you can say 'that only happened because the defence was shit' but for me that is a very negative way to try and enjoy a sport. After all, we watch for entertainment rather than science (at least I do).
It's not perfect and it is often not fully engaging but I also get some fun watching it. There have been some outrageously good tries scored in this RWC. -
@Yeetyaah said in Who are you watching as priority?:
First half of the AB's then flick it over and watch the Black Ferns. Watch the second half of the ABs later on.
@Yeetyaah exactly the same here.
In ranking the two matches, I'll go with the game that has the most meaning or significance which is the Quarter Final match between the Black Ferns and Wales.
The AB match is a stop over match for the 2nd stringers to get a run so, in terms of meaning or significance, there really is no comparison.
Plus, I personally really enjoy and am invested in the woman's game, especially the Black Ferns.
I was in NZ celebrating, belatedly, my youngest brother's 50th birthday. It was also time to spend with the NZ whanau which was awesome as it was the first time seeing everyone since COVID.
We planned the 50th around the Bledisloe Cup match at Eden Park. As an aside, the Bled at EP has been a bucket list item for me as I've watched other Bled's, all in Australia in the late 90's and early 2000's which wasn't great as each game I watched, the AB's lost.
Anyway, on Saturday, my Bro's and Cuzzies all wanted to go drinking in the city before heading to EP for the AB game. So off we all went and found a decent pub but I left early as I really wanted to watch the Black Ferns play first and sat there alone in the stadium (well not alone, there was a good crowd who arrived early to watch) and loved it!
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@kiwiinmelb said in Who are you watching as priority?:
Here in Australia they play a womens version of afl ,
I find that one to be the worst of the womens football codes , the skills required to play that game seem to be more difficult for them to master .
I think they are a few years off it and that’s understandable because the AFLW players right now are basically women who grew up playing other team or individual sports at a decent level, are runners turned footy players and never played any high level junior footy.
As the junior footy level gets better and more girls play it competitively from a younger age and those unique Aussie rules instincts become more natural, then we will see better. I’ve taken my kids to a couple of AFLW games this season and for seasoned AFL watchers it’s a tough watch, but my kids enjoyed it especially a couple of my younger ones who just watch it for what it is.
I kind of think womens league is probably the most watchable of the lot.
You know I’m a league supporter so you’ll take this the right way, but it’s a simpler game with very little nuance to it - run hard and straight ahead, don’t fluff the play of the ball and tackle. No scrums, no rucks, no 360 degree vision, no kicking or passing for the majority of them, no handballs etc
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