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    • broughie
      broughie last edited by

      So the family was digging into the past and some surprises. Anyone give light to "attempted carnal knowledge"? I goggled it and it appears involve the under aged. Obviously not a badge of honor but we live in a screwed up world. The fern knows everything.

      Another story of broken people. My grandfather was stationed with the Maori battalion in Egypt WW2. He fathered a couple of kids from different women prior to leaving WB I h we found out 3 years ago While in Egypt he went awol twice. He was a bit of a womanizer. Perhaps through DNA we will find a distant relative in the future from that area of the world. He died 5 months later in Italy.

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      • Kruse
        Kruse last edited by

        Ahhh... classic.
        My family discovered a few years ago... my grandmother - youngest of several sisters, by quite some extent. Turns out... the woman she'd always thought was her eldest sister... actually her mother.
        Quite a common occurrence of the time, I believe. A teenage girl suddenly disappears for several months, "visiting family", and then comes home at around the same time that her mother suddenly has another baby.

        As to "attempted carnal knowledge" - my understanding is that it is simply as it literally describes - an attempt to have sex. BUT.... only typically used in reference to when that sex would have been unlawful, for any reason. Underage, disabled, intoxicated, etc, etc.

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        • broughie
          broughie @Kruse last edited by

          @Kruse said in Skeletons in the closet:

          Ahhh... classic.
          My family discovered a few years ago... my grandmother - youngest of several sisters, by quite some extent. Turns out... the woman she'd always thought was her eldest sister... actually her mother.
          Quite a common occurrence of the time, I believe. A teenage girl suddenly disappears for several months, "visiting family", and then comes home at around the same time that her mother suddenly has another baby.

          Wow. Classic.

          As to "attempted carnal knowledge" - my understanding is that it is simply as it literally describes - an attempt to have sex. BUT.... only typically used in reference to when that sex would have been unlawful, for any reason. Underage, disabled, intoxicated, etc, etc.

          Yep. Mum just sent me clippings from the paper and they were underaged. Spent 9 weeks in jail and obviously should have been more! He was a character though and fun to be around but he had bad side to him. Would make my Nana pay for the coal he would bring back from the West Coast so he had beer money. That stopped abruptly when one of my Aunts found out and gave him the message. Possibly his heritage in the West Coast might be akin to the those in "Deliverance".

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          • Machpants
            Machpants @Kruse last edited by

            @Kruse said in Skeletons in the closet:

            Ahhh... classic.
            My family discovered a few years ago... my grandmother - youngest of several sisters, by quite some extent. Turns out... the woman she'd always thought was her eldest sister... actually her mother.
            Quite a common occurrence of the time, I believe. A teenage girl suddenly disappears for several months, "visiting family", and then comes home at around the same time that her mother suddenly has another baby.

            As to "attempted carnal knowledge" - my understanding is that it is simply as it literally describes - an attempt to have sex. BUT.... only typically used in reference to when that sex would have been unlawful, for any reason. Underage, disabled, intoxicated, etc, etc.

            Yeah my mum's uncle was actually her half brother, we only found out when his daughter was trying to get her passport and things didn't add up. But my grandma, along with being a narcissistic bitch, ran off with a young Fijian boy leaving my oldest aunty, and my grandad, to look after the 4 kids.

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            • mikedogz
              mikedogz last edited by

              I like to to explore my family tree every now and then.

              When my Grandfather was 18 he knocked up a 14 year old and was quite likely made to marry her. No police record found around that. They divorced in 3 years later and he married my Nana in his 30's. My dad never met his half brother as he went to WW2 and died at 20. My Grandad moved to OZ with his mum after his father died in WW1. I found a report that he ran away from home and went bush.

              That Grandfathers father went to WW1, before he get deployed he spent time in military prison. Hard to read the writing but I think it was mainly for not coming back from leave on time. He must have been on the run for a while before he gave himself up.

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              • M
                Mackerzzzz last edited by

                A distant ish cousin of mine married someone 40years younger than them....

                Also he was 82, and she was 40, plus to add to the fun his oldest son is older than her.....🤦‍♀️🤦🏻‍♂️
                AND he died within 7 months

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                • broughie
                  broughie @Mackerzzzz last edited by

                  @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

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                  • M
                    Mackerzzzz @broughie last edited by

                    @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                    @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                    That's fucked up

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                    • Victor Meldrew
                      Victor Meldrew @broughie last edited by

                      @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                      So the family was digging into the past and some surprises. Anyone give light to "attempted carnal knowledge"? I goggled it and it appears involve the under aged. Obviously not a badge of honor but we live in a screwed up world. The fern knows everything.

                      I think "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" was the term used for under-age sex rather than rape or sexual assault. It was quite common in the 60's where a girl got pregnant under 16. Think things got a little more enlightened in latter decades.

                      So the family was digging into the past and some surprises. Anyone give light to "attempted carnal knowledge"? I goggled it and it appears involve the under aged. Obviously not a badge of honor but we live in a screwed up world. The fern knows everything.

                      Another story of broken people. My grandfather was stationed with the Maori battalion in Egypt WW2. He fathered a couple of kids from different women prior to leaving WB I h we found out 3 years ago While in Egypt he went awol twice. He was a bit of a womanizer. Perhaps through DNA we will find a distant relative in the future from that area of the world. He died 5 months later in Italy

                      Not a skeleton, but my ex-FiL, an ex-REME WO in his 70's, showed me a photo of some mean hombres in the desert from his time in the Army. They were SAS in Oman and he commanded the detachment doing their transport and logistics. Not something he felt able to talk about until he was quite old.

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                      • Victor Meldrew
                        Victor Meldrew last edited by

                        My mother was always a little strange and had a weird attitude on religion and race - very much a religious bigot but incredibly enlightened on race and mental health issues. We all suspected she'd had some traumatic event in her life.

                        We've never been able to get the full story, but it appears she had a mental breakdown from getting pregnant in her unmarried late teens (poss. a non-white bloke) and her uber-religious family generally fucking up her life.

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                        • Crucial
                          Crucial @broughie last edited by

                          @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                          @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                          Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

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                          • canefan
                            canefan @Crucial last edited by

                            @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                            @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                            @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                            Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                            Or Mickey Roonie

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                            • Crucial
                              Crucial @Mackerzzzz last edited by

                              @Mackerzzzz said in Skeletons in the closet:

                              @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                              @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                              That's fucked up

                              Why?
                              I’d be happy to pull a 20 year old at my age let alone at 72

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                              • JC
                                JC @Crucial last edited by JC

                                @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                @Mackerzzzz said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                That's fucked up

                                Why?
                                I’d be happy to pull a 20 year old at my age let alone at 72

                                Damn right. I’m taking notes!

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                                • Kirwan
                                  Kirwan @JC last edited by

                                  @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                  @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                  @Mackerzzzz said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                  @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                  @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                  That's fucked up

                                  Why?
                                  I’d be happy to pull a 20 year old at my age let alone at 72

                                  Damn right. I’m taking notes!

                                  Dirty old bastards (can I borrow those notes for a friend?)

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                                  • canefan
                                    canefan @Crucial last edited by

                                    @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                    @Mackerzzzz said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                    @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                    @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                    That's fucked up

                                    Why?
                                    I’d be happy to pull a 20 year old at my age let alone at 72

                                    As a wise man once said, you're only as old as the woman you feel....

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                                    • MN5
                                      MN5 @Crucial last edited by

                                      @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                      @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                      @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                      Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                      ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

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                                      • JC
                                        JC @MN5 last edited by

                                        @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                        @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                        @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                        @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                        Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                        ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                        Wait what? I need a diagram.

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                                        • MN5
                                          MN5 @JC last edited by

                                          @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                          @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                          @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                          @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                          @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                          Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                          ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                          Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                          Wyman married a young chick.

                                          Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

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                                          • Crucial
                                            Crucial @MN5 last edited by Crucial

                                            @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                            @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                            @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                            @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                            @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                            @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                            Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                            ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                            Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                            Wyman married a young chick.

                                            Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                            I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                            Typical English village stuff

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                                            • MN5
                                              MN5 @Crucial last edited by

                                              @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                              @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                              Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                              ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                              Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                              Wyman married a young chick.

                                              Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                              I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                              Typical English village stuff

                                              So weird.

                                              Really disappointingly Jimmy Page had a very questionable relationship with an extremely young chick back in the 70s as well.

                                              Is it too hard to wait until they’re 18 ????

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                                              • Nepia
                                                Nepia @Crucial last edited by

                                                @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                                ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                                Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                                Wyman married a young chick.

                                                Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                                I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                                Typical English village stuff

                                                Da fuq, I hope my brain is still on holiday mode because it can't make any sense of that sentence.

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                                                • Nepia
                                                  Nepia @MN5 last edited by

                                                  @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                  @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                  Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                                  ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                                  Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                                  Wyman married a young chick.

                                                  Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                                  I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                                  Typical English village stuff

                                                  So weird.

                                                  Really disappointingly Jimmy Page had a very questionable relationship with an extremely young chick back in the 70s as well.

                                                  Is it too hard to wait until they’re 18 ????

                                                  Was it just one? I thought all he did in the 70s was bang young chicks and steal other bands songs. 🎣

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                                                  • MN5
                                                    MN5 @Nepia last edited by

                                                    @Nepia said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                    @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                    Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                                    ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                                    Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                                    Wyman married a young chick.

                                                    Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                                    I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                                    Typical English village stuff

                                                    So weird.

                                                    Really disappointingly Jimmy Page had a very questionable relationship with an extremely young chick back in the 70s as well.

                                                    Is it too hard to wait until they’re 18 ????

                                                    Was it just one? I thought all he did in the 70s was bang young chicks and steal other bands songs. 🎣

                                                    Still the greatest band ever…..but yeah they definitely ‘borrowed’ a few licks here and there.

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                                                    • Dan54
                                                      Dan54 @Crucial last edited by

                                                      @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                      @Mackerzzzz said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                      @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                      @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                      That's fucked up

                                                      Why?
                                                      I’d be happy to pull a 20 year old at my age let alone at 72

                                                      Well I would be ecstatic if I could pull a 40 year old chick. mind you I only got 4 years until I a 72 yo anyway.😆

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                                                      • Crucial
                                                        Crucial @Nepia last edited by

                                                        @Nepia said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                        @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                        Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                                        ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                                        Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                                        Wyman married a young chick.

                                                        Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                                        I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                                        Typical English village stuff

                                                        Da fuq, I hope my brain is still on holiday mode because it can't make any sense of that sentence.

                                                        Wyman married and then divorced Mandy. Wyman’s son (from another marriage) then married Mandy’s mum. At that point Mandy’s ex (Bill) became her step grandfather.
                                                        Simples.

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                                                        • MN5
                                                          MN5 @Crucial last edited by

                                                          @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @Nepia said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @JC said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @MN5 said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @Crucial said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @broughie said in Skeletons in the closet:

                                                          @Mackerzzzz just talking to my friend tonight about this and his grandfather at 72 married a 20-year-old. I asked him if he had money and he said no so it must've been personality.

                                                          Your grandad was Bill Wyman?

                                                          ….so fucked up how Wymans son became his own step grandad. That sounds too bizarre to be real, but it is.

                                                          Wait what? I need a diagram.

                                                          Wyman married a young chick.

                                                          Young Chicks Mum married Wymans son.

                                                          I think it was that Wyman became step grandad to his ex wife, his ex wife’s step son became her stepdad and Wyman became stepdad to his ex mother in law.

                                                          Typical English village stuff

                                                          Da fuq, I hope my brain is still on holiday mode because it can't make any sense of that sentence.

                                                          Wyman married and then divorced Mandy. Wyman’s son (from another marriage) then married Mandy’s mum. At that point Mandy’s ex (Bill) became her step grandfather.
                                                          Simples.

                                                          16 year age gap, not too weird to be honest. Obviously didn’t inherit Dads creepy interest in the young ones.

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                                                            dogmeat last edited by

                                                            On a family holiday to Oz when I was 10 a visitor turned up to our Sydney hotel.

                                                            He was quite chatty and knew some really keen card tricks which my Mum wasn't keen on us learning.

                                                            It turned out that my mums Dad dies when she was six. The four kids were farmed out for a few years to various rellies - my Mum lived with her grandparents.

                                                            Then my grandmother got the family back together again in a new home complete with a boarder. This was quite the sensation back in the 1930's especially as the 'boarder' was a Jew.

                                                            Our visitor was my Uncle David, the result of the boarder and my grandmothers 'flatting arrangement'.

                                                            David had fled to Oz in the early 60's to escape the NZ Police. Obviously not serious enough to be extradited, but he was a definitely a wide boy. Very flashy. lots of cash. Most interesting for a young lad the model for the nude model at the Three Sisters in the Blue Mountains was his girlfriend.

                                                            He was shot dead two years later in a gang related incident in west Sydney, so that was the only time I met the guy.

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