KP - WTF

MajorRage

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Isn't that pretty reasonably explained by the fact that it's not easy/smart to come out and speak out against your new boss in his first week on the job? Path of least resistance really.
 
Add to that half the squad was in flux anyway so publicly going against the establishment isn't a smart move for Moen Ali, Ben Stokes or Jos Butler to make trying to cement and Ashes birth.
 
Most of the ex-players (including former teammates of his) came out in support of Pietersen and common sense. Flintoff, Vaughn, Hoggard, Harmisson. Basically anyone who knows the player (and Strauss for that matter) and doesn't fear retribution... except Swann.
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Common sense?
 
So if Greg Rawlinson sent a text message to Victor Matfield explaining our line out calls, common sense is that he should be selected for the All Blacks again if he's showing some cracking form?
 
With respect to your other points, they are fair - and I guess is why I think the public has really only been told less than half of the story.

rotated

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Common sense?
 
So if Greg Rawlinson sent a text message to Victor Matfield explaining our line out calls, common sense is that he should be selected for the All Blacks again if he's showing some cracking form?
 
With respect to your other points, they are fair - and I guess is why I think the public has really only been told less than half of the story.
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Didn't he just call Strauss a doos? I genuinely could be missing something because I know the actual contents of the messages filtered out slowly but based on what I thought the texts were it would be more like Rawlinson texting Matfield saying Richie is the most boring man alive or something.
 
Although equating Pietersen to Rawlinson and Richie to Strauss in terms of leadership is a poor showing anyway.
 
I have no doubt grievances from the AB set up have been shared to other international players - specifically those playing for PI teams who play Super Rugby with ABs over the years. The SBW-Cooper text chain is unlikely to be glowing the praise for the AB set up. I do not doubt that Deans shared his grievances with his brother in law (RIP) during his early Wallaby days etc. This thing goes on.

Siam

I've spoken with people that share the same teams as KP. Of course the question of "What's he really like came up"
 
Bit of a dick, but unanimously, KP always does what's best for KP and if KP needs you for something then KP is great. But when KP doesn't need you for something that benefits KP then you don't really exist.
 
If you look at all the recommendations for KP, there's a common theme that KP will score you runs and win you matches. Not a lot of glowing personality recommendations
 
But, whatever, each to their own

Siam

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I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.
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Who seek permission from NZC and are granted permission from NZC.
 
Take it up with David White and co rather than smearing the players.

rotated

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Who seek permission from NZC and are granted permission from NZC. 
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I'm not smearing the players. I am responding to comment about KPs willingness or unwillingness to play for his country above all others regardless of money. He seems to have it in spades. Make what you will of Vettori and McCullum.

MN5

It's potentially a bit of a thorny one the whole "being mates with the opposition" thing. I remember that photo of Sopoaga, Fekitoa, De Allende and Etzebeth on the piss last year. I mean who's to say that Fekitoa didn't compare midfield play with De Allende after a few wets and go on about how excited he would be when Nonu, Smith and SBW all fucked off and made his path easier ?

Siam

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I'm not smearing the players. I am responding to comment about KPs willingness or unwillingness to play for his country above all others regardless of money. He seems to have it in spades. Make what you will of Vettori and McCullum.
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Bull shit, you labelled McCullum Vetori or Taylor as mercenaries. You didn't respond to anything. You tried to make a point by bringing in 3 totally unrelated people to the story and "smeared" them as mercenaries

Virgil

Everyone is so pissy today... Not many ferners getting laid it would seem....

rotated

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Bull shit, you labelled McCullum Vetori or Taylor as mercenaries. You didn't respond to anything. You tried to make a point by bringing in 3 totally unrelated people to the story and "smeared" them as mercenaries</blockquote>
 
I said they were less mercenaries than KP who by your definition has been told not only he has permission to not play for England but to fuck off as well.

mariner4life

fucking painters and decorators

No Quarter

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Everyone is so pissy today... Not many ferners getting laid it would seem....
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Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
 
Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.

Siam

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I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.
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I said they were less mercenaries than KP who by your definition has been told not only he has permission to not play for England but to fuck off as well.
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Oh my mistake - must have missed the memo that changed the English language :think:
 
Fancy a cup of tea (better virg? )

Smudge

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Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
 
Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.
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Back in five minutes.
 
What? I'm at work? Who cares! I'm sitting in the corner anyway.

Siam

Some levity for macho monday: NSFW

Can anyone just post the URL without the title screaming WILLISING
 
It really is clever comedy

jegga

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Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
 
Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.
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Sorted.

Catogrande

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How is it difficult to believe? He moved to England because he wasn't getting a fair shake in RSA, it would only make sense he would do the reverse if the Proteas are willing to give him an opportunity.
 
What happened before the Ashes was an absolute embarrassment for the ECB - Pietersen rightfully should play elsewhere after that.
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Difficult to believe because he has had a great career playing for one country and it seems very odd (to me at least) that he would:-
 
1.Wish to play for another country.
2.Be wanted by another country.
3.Qualify to play for another country.
 
The embarrassment thing though - spot on. A bloody laughing stock.

gollum

On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
 
Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y
 
Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.
 
KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.
 
I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player.

MajorRage

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On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
 
Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y
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He said more than that. He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss.

gollum

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He said more than that. He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss. 
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal'>http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal</a>
 
Not according to Strauss
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga'>http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga</a>
 
"After being dropped for the Test, KP admitted sending 'provocative' text messages and after the match came to my house and sincerely apologised. I accepted his apology and hold no grudges against him. I am also confident, in retrospect, that he did not give the South Africans information on how to get me out. The far greater issue was one of trust. There were many involved with English cricket, including myself, who felt particularly let down. Stuff that should have stayed in the dressing room had been played out in front of the media."

MN5

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On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
 
Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y
 
Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.
 
KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.
 
I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player. 
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No way.....and this is coming from a big fan of his work.

The Silver Fern

KP - WTF