RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian why wouldnt it be expected to be the showpeice of the game, it is right now the pinnacle in rugby, therefore, in theory it will be shown to the widest audience possible, why wouldnt you want it to be a showpeice and not descend into a whistle-or-card fest?
So I think there is nothing wrong with wanting it to be a spectacle, but at the end of the day, winning is the goal, however you win, you win.
It's not just the officiating though. There's too much at stake and teams resort to defensive rugby. There's a reason that only rarely do teams pass 16 points.
And I reject the notion it was a whistle-fest. The last 30 minutes was gripping and Barnes barely blew his whistle at all. No scrum penalties, no 50/50 ruck penalties.
So in an ideal world I'd love it to be razzle dazzle rugby, but history tells us that it's almost never the case.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I hate myself.
And he's right about the two phases.
Easily googlable. I sssume the 2022 version on the WR website is correct.
You'd think the best TMO in the world would know his job.
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@booboo its seems to basic...too basic to stuff up so just went back to look....the lineout is the fifth phase before the try....its just painful
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo its seems to basic...too basic to stuff up so just went back to look....the lineout is the fifth phase before the try....its just painful
It's the Kumar Dharmasena moment of this world cup.
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@barbarian I didn't say it did, I was talking generally, not specific to yesterday.
I think we are not too far apart in thinking, we want it, but will rarely be, nothing wrong with wanting it to be great
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo its seems to basic...too basic to stuff up so just went back to look....the lineout is the fifth phase before the try....its just painful
Maybe so. But it WAS a knock on.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo its seems to basic...too basic to stuff up so just went back to look....the lineout is the fifth phase before the try....its just painful
Maybe so. But it WAS a knock on.
i dont think anyone is arguing that, were just talking about the use of TMO and things like this seems quite clearly stated...and yet not followed
personally i think the knock on was a direct result of the penalty action and so should be considered part of that and so play on under advantage...but thats not the rules
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
I'd say there's a clear subconscious bias. IMO a capable TMO wouldn't have said the threshold was made for a bloke that has someone turn into him, and not for someone that runs 10 metres into the face of someone else.
I also take umbrage at the discretionary use of "absorbing".
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I know this has been brought up before but one thing is those players (one SA prop in particular) who get down so ridiculously low its virtually impossible to tackle them without making contact to the head. The tackler has to literally slide along the ground. Its effectively inviting a shoulder or arm to the head. How tf is that making the game safer?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I know this has been brought up before but one thing is those players (one SA prop) in particular who get down so ridiculously low its virtually impossible to tackle them without making contact to the head. The tackler has to literally slide along the ground. Its effectively inviting a shoulder or arm to the head. How tf is that making the game safer?
Need to learn judo and hip toss them
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
I'd say there's a clear subconscious bias. IMO a capable TMO wouldn't have said the threshold was made for a bloke that has someone turn into him, and not for someone that runs 10 metres into the face of someone else.
I also take umbrage at the discretionary use of "absorbing".
you meant to answer my post?
A I think there is a discipline/card or at least playing to the ref problem with this side for awhile but on the other hand
B I'm not very happy with the TMO or the amount of consistency in the cards/penalties of the RWC final (i.e. I think I agree with you) -
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I know this has been brought up before but one thing is those players (one SA prop) in particular who get down so ridiculously low its virtually impossible to tackle them without making contact to the head. The tackler has to literally slide along the ground. Its effectively inviting a shoulder or arm to the head. How tf is that making the game safer?
Need to learn judo and hip toss them
we've had AB judoka before...oh and at least one wrestler..
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I know this has been brought up before but one thing is those players (one SA prop) in particular who get down so ridiculously low its virtually impossible to tackle them without making contact to the head. The tackler has to literally slide along the ground. Its effectively inviting a shoulder or arm to the head. How tf is that making the game safer?
Need to learn judo and hip toss them
we've had AB judoka before...oh and at least one wrestler..
Stevie McD must be able to offer some pointers
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I know this has been brought up before but one thing is those players (one SA prop) in particular who get down so ridiculously low its virtually impossible to tackle them without making contact to the head. The tackler has to literally slide along the ground. Its effectively inviting a shoulder or arm to the head. How tf is that making the game safer?
Need to learn judo and hip toss them
we've had AB judoka before...oh and at least one wrestler..
Stevie McD must be able to offer some pointers
well spotted... and the wrestler?
Not this one https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/mose-and-sams-high-school-reunion/Q6ITDFZJZL3IEFB2KQSMUS34VU/ but more recent... -
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Reason from Mark fucken Reason 🤯
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame you for the #booboo ... it is hard to keep up.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Reason from Mark fucken Reason 🤯
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame you for the #booboo ... it is hard to keep up.
is he right about the TMO 2 phases rule?
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@nostrildamus seems to be:
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus seems to be:
Where match officials believe a Clear and Obvious infringement may have occurred in the immediate two phases of play leading to a try being scored, or in the preventing of a possible try from being scored.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus seems to be:
Where match officials believe a Clear and Obvious infringement may have occurred in the immediate two phases of play leading to a try being scored, or in the preventing of a possible try from being scored.
yes unless foul play (any time before game restarts)...
