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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
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@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
I'm not sure that is the point.
Why specifically should the health system fund this over initial responders? They are all part of the health system too.,
What other diseases aren't specifically funded? Should some cancer treatments receive more funding than this? Why is the a priority of all those cancer treatments that aren't funded?
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@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
I'm not sure that is the point.
Why specifically should the health system fund this over initial responders? They are all part of the health system too.,
What other diseases aren't specifically funded? Should some cancer treatments receive more funding than this? Why is the a priority of all those cancer treatments that aren't funded?
We do fund many cancer treatments, not sure what you mean here. For the past 20/30 years there has been a big drop in mental health funding and we are reaping the "rewards" of that.
King is highlighting a gap in funding, has provided a model that has proven results, and is asking for a tiny slice of the pie to make a difference. This is exactly how we should be solving all sorts of problems.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
I'm not sure that is the point.
Why specifically should the health system fund this over initial responders? They are all part of the health system too.,
What other diseases aren't specifically funded? Should some cancer treatments receive more funding than this? Why is the a priority of all those cancer treatments that aren't funded?
We do fund many cancer treatments, not sure what you mean here. For the past 20/30 years there has been a big drop in mental health funding and we are reaping the "rewards" of that.
King is highlighting a gap in funding, has provided a model that has proven results, and is asking for a tiny slice of the pie to make a difference. This is exactly how we should be solving all sorts of problems.
There is a lot of cancer treatment unfunded.
I don't believe mental health is more of a priority than anything suggested above for the sake of 350 deaths per year? Or is it 700? Either way, I don't see it as important in isolation.
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@hooroo the mental health aspect is wider than suicides though.
I think going forward, post-covid (if we have a post covid period) there are going to be more issues.
I think it is wrong they focus on the covid numbers every day and the money pumped into covid, while other areas of our health sector go well under funded.
I was talking to a nurse yesterday and some of what she was talking about in her niche was heart breaking.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo the mental health aspect is wider than suicides though.
I think going forward, post-covid (if we have a post covid period) there are going to be more issues.
I think it is wrong they focus on the covid numbers every day and the money pumped into covid, while other areas of our health sector go well under funded.
I was talking to a nurse yesterday and some of what she was talking about in her niche was heart breaking.
It sure is. Much wider. I'm not suggesting otherwise.
I don't believe it is as important as a number of other unfunded causes.
If people really cared, they would donate to it heavily.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo Just trying to understand your stance here, are you happy with the 50 billion on covid ?
I'm neither happy nor unhappy about it. The covid spend isn't what I'm talking about here.
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@hooroo its a spend based on reducing death. I'm just trying to understand your position on things.
Its hard to really judge what a spend on mental health could produce in terms of deaths per dollar.
But if your involved on these decisons thats what it should be based on loosely. Deaths/Age per dollar.
For example if we could save all 700 per year then its definitiely worth the funding is it not?
Also the "if people cared" line, should we fund all causes like this or is there some kind of reasoning you apply to that.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo its a spend based on reducing death. I'm just trying to understand your position on things.
Its hard to really judge what a spend on mental health could produce in terms of deaths per dollar.
But if your involved on these decisons thats what it should be based on loosely. Deaths/Age per dollar.
For example if we could save all 700 per year then its definitiely worth the funding is it not?
Also the "if people cared" line, should we fund all causes like this or is there some kind of reasoning you apply to that.
Just picking your if we could save all 700 comment, then why aren't ambulances funded within our health system. Imagine the deaths without them?
My stance that you are keen on understanding for some reason is that I don't believe Mental health is more important than anything suggested above so why fund it over anything else suggested.
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@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo the mental health aspect is wider than suicides though.
I think going forward, post-covid (if we have a post covid period) there are going to be more issues.
I think it is wrong they focus on the covid numbers every day and the money pumped into covid, while other areas of our health sector go well under funded.
I was talking to a nurse yesterday and some of what she was talking about in her niche was heart breaking.
It sure is. Much wider. I'm not suggesting otherwise.
I don't believe it is as important as a number of other unfunded causes.
If people really cared, they would donate to it heavily.
Don’t they already through income tax? Isn’t it reasonable for members of the public to lobby for a different allocation profile when the decisions about how to spend that tax are made?
It seems to me that King is simply pointing out that the government appears to be making pragmatic decisions on where to put the money based on preventing avoidable deaths but is ignoring the potential to protect a sizeable number that arise from poor mental health. That sounds reasonable to me.
You’re not wrong about the funding for first responder organisations, but I don’t think he’s advocating that they aren’t worthy too.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think they should be too.
There are an untold amount of things that could be funded and for me (my stance) mental health is lower in the pecking order.
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo the mental health aspect is wider than suicides though.
I think going forward, post-covid (if we have a post covid period) there are going to be more issues.
I think it is wrong they focus on the covid numbers every day and the money pumped into covid, while other areas of our health sector go well under funded.
I was talking to a nurse yesterday and some of what she was talking about in her niche was heart breaking.
It sure is. Much wider. I'm not suggesting otherwise.
I don't believe it is as important as a number of other unfunded causes.
If people really cared, they would donate to it heavily.
You’re not wrong about the funding for first responder organisations, but I don’t think he’s advocating that they aren’t worthy too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that he is suggesting that.
I was just pointing out for me Mental health isn't that important to me over those other things.
Ideally, it would all be funded
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@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
I'm not sure that is the point.
Why specifically should the health system fund this over initial responders? They are all part of the health system too.,
What other diseases aren't specifically funded? Should some cancer treatments receive more funding than this? Why is the a priority of all those cancer treatments that aren't funded?
Is this an either/or scenario?
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo I think he does, I Am Hope?
I think one issue with suicide/mental health, is there are numerous organisations all vying for the funding and donation $'s, whereas St Johns are nationwide single organisation, the Choppers are more regionalised, although Westpac run alot of fundraising.
Yes he does have the charity, I was saying that his focus should be in charity work for that rather than relying on Govt handouts.
All those said charities need to get funding from public that wish to support it. Just like Mike and his charity. All charities compete for funding whether similarly aligned or otherwise
That's missing the point. This is a missing aspect of mental health treatment in the system, it shouldn't be charity lead it should be part of the system.
I'm not sure that is the point.
Why specifically should the health system fund this over initial responders? They are all part of the health system too.,
What other diseases aren't specifically funded? Should some cancer treatments receive more funding than this? Why is the a priority of all those cancer treatments that aren't funded?
Is this an either/or scenario?
absolutely not.
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@canefan It's an opinion piece. What I hear is Cindy is more Aunty Helen than Poppa Lange. A policy wonk imperator who is unlikely to be anyone's puppet.
I agree that without her Labour are toast. The next few months will decide whether they are doomed even if she stays
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Some worrying parallels here
If Ardern pulled the pin prior to the next election Labour will be in big trouble, without her personality cult they are Little, Hipkins and Robertson
Sounds like a really stodgy law firm
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