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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
Arden she certainly tried her best to make us more left wing than what we've ever seen before.
You mean the Ardern who is arguably the most right-wing Labour Prime Minister that we have ever had?
More left wing than Savage, Fraser and Nash who created the welfare state?
More left wing than Kirk who banned the Boks, sent Frigates to Muroroa , set up the Waitangi Tribunal..?
More left wing than Lange - nuclear free, legalised gay sex, made Te Reo an official language, broadened the Waitangi Tribunal's focus to include historic claims?
More left wing than Clark with alcohol, smoking, same sex marriage, trade union and civil rights reforms. Who established the Supreme Court and abandoned the honour's system?Granted Cindy is probably going to be more left wing than Hipkins....
For all of Ardern's socialism / left wing views, has there ever been another leader upon which the rich/poor divide has grown so much?
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Question - if none of those things that @dogmeat set out had been done by prior Governments, and the opportunity has arisen to all of them during Aderns time in power, which of them do you think she wouldn't have done?
My point is only that those guys just got there first and the fact that Adern didn't get to do them doesn't make her any more centrist.
Her clutch on control and narrative and message was pretty extraordinary to watch from my end.
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interesting the talk of this multi billion dollar investment, while other parts of NZ's infrastructure is so fragile and doesnt seem a plan going forward to future proof it - see Coromandel, Brynderwyns, parts of HB and Gisborne, am sure there are plenty of other examples too.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
interesting the talk of this multi billion dollar investment, while other parts of NZ's infrastructure is so fragile and doesnt seem a plan going forward to future proof it - see Coromandel, Brynderwyns, parts of HB and Gisborne, am sure there are plenty of other examples too.
It is definitely needed, the harbour bridge is not in great shape. But there are many projects that desperately need to be done
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@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
This is the closest NZ has ever been to a communist state, via laws enforced on us by the state.
You clearly have no understanding of what a 'communist state' is.
These last few posts and a lot of the whole thread demonstrate that for many Adern will always be the devil because of her Covid response.
IMO she ran a pretty centrist government* but with a woke perspective, but it was all largely windrow dressing.
*MMP encourages centrist governments. Which opponents hate about it. Interestingly those who loathe MMP generally have no experience of FPP. Both systems have their flaws. For mine (as I did live in the FPP environment) MMP is a better system but the 5% threshold is too high for the NZ context. I'd rather see 6+ smaller parties which would mean you don't have 2 immovable blocks Nat/ACT versus Lab/Green and a dangerous kingmaker scenario.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
It is definitely needed, the harbour bridge is not in great shape. But there are many projects that desperately need to be done
I wouldn't have agreed that we need a 2nd Waitemata crossing until the state of the Bridge became known. The main congestion choke point is actually Spaghetti Junction not the bridge.
For that reason I favour a staged approach. Build a public transport / active mode alternative and encourage people out of their cars. Making it easier to get across the water will simply induce demand and create traffic chaos downstream which will quickly clog up the network again.
Leaving aside other regions I think Aucklands most pressing need is light rail to the North West as that is where most of the projected growth is planned and PT options are absolute shit.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
This is the closest NZ has ever been to a communist state, via laws enforced on us by the state.
You clearly have no understanding of what a 'communist state' is.
These last few posts and a lot of the whole thread demonstrate that for many Adern will always be the devil because of her Covid response.
IMO she ran a pretty centrist government* but with a woke perspective, but it was all largely windrow dressing.
*MMP encourages centrist governments. Which opponents hate about it. Interestingly those who loathe MMP generally have no experience of FPP. Both systems have their flaws. For mine (as I did live in the FPP environment) MMP is a better system but the 5% threshold is too high for the NZ context. I'd rather see 6+ smaller parties which would mean you don't have 2 immovable blocks Nat/ACT versus Lab/Green and a dangerous kingmaker scenario.
MMP definitely wasn't installed with Winston Peters in mind
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 said in NZ Politics:
This is the closest NZ has ever been to a communist state, via laws enforced on us by the state.
You clearly have no understanding of what a 'communist state' is.
I do - hence why I said it was "the closest NZ has ever been" not "NZ was" a communist state.
I mean that's kinda like me saying "Gracious this is the coldest NZ's ever been!" And you replying "Rubbish!! We're nowhere near -275 degrees".
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Windows97 First Labour government.
Adern's govt was less like a communist one than Rob Muldoons FFS.
This. Hers is the most divisive since his though.
She should be judged on the covid response, it was her one policy success and won her the 2020 election . The fact the restrictions went on far too long, were in some cases illegal and caused a massive transfer of wealth are on her too.
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Nice work if you can get it ...
A new tally of the cost of the controversial Three Waters programme shows that well over half of the responsible department’s spending has gone to contractors and consultants.
The Department of Internal Affairs (DIA) spent $94 million pursuing the programme from inception in mid-2020 to the end of December 2022. Consultants and contractors made up $56.87m of that total (including legal work). By comparison, departmental staff working on the programme cost $18.56m.
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@Tim said in NZ Politics:
Media Insider: Soper, Ardern farewell Parliament: 'Media didn't understand her, she didn't understand media'
Oh absolutely get fucked. Stroke it some more, NZ Herald. What pathetic nonsense.
Fuck, Right, Off .She has a bachelors degree in communications and public relations . Its like they are in a contest to see who can be the least credible. The media loved her and she played them with her empathetic look, hijabs and midday media conferences.
Oliver Hartwich who grew up in Germany when the wall was up said there were two parts of east germany -the north east and south east where the radio and tv signals from West Germany couldn't reach and the people there were only fed government proganda . The rest of both sides of the wall called these parts the valley of the clueless.
We are the valley of the clueless, there's so little diversity in our media here and they are so linked to the government now they are utterly worthless. You only have to look at how quickly the attacks on women on saturday moved out of the news cycle or the way Newshub lied about PP doing up her zip as evidence.Valley of the clueless https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/heres-why-dresden-was-nicknamed-valley-of-the-clueless/
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So, how bad is the lack of staff crisis?
Seemed to have died in the media, but the old man just told me on a lads (old men) golfing trip last week through Canterbury/West Coast they couldn't get midweek dinners for their group of 8 in Rangiora, Oxford & Westport. Greymouth was ok. Also said no breakfast at his favourite spot in Arthurs Pass.
All due to lack of staff.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
More left wing than Savage, Fraser and Nash who created the welfare state?
More left wing than Kirk who banned the Boks, sent Frigates to Muroroa , set up the Waitangi Tribunal..?
More left wing than Lange - nuclear free, legalised gay sex, made Te Reo an official language, broadened the Waitangi Tribunal's focus to include historic claims?
More left wing than Clark with alcohol, smoking, same sex marriage, trade union and civil rights reforms. Who established the Supreme Court and abandoned the honour's system?I think you're making the mistake of only looking at one type of leftism and measuring against that
Yes she's not much of a 1930's progressive making sweeping welfare changes. But how is Kirk on intersectionality etc?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in NZ Politics:
Is NZ really more left-wing than most other countries?
The major 'right wing' party is particularly weak
The pattern I think we are falling into is this: Labour gets elected, makes various left wing tweaks. Nations campaigns against it, wins an election and then doesn't roll anything back.
Over time that of course is a lurch leftwards
Key didn't roll back any of Clarkes changes. In fact his Gov passed various rights laws that fit more with ideology of the modern left. Or take 'Crusher' Collins, the caricature of a right wing female, who appointed Susan Devoy as race relations commissioner etc
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