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Slater is an awful amoral person but he can be very funny at times, btw I think the last thing he wants is for Turei to resign .
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/help-crowd-fund-mugs-remaining-mugs-green-caucus/#more-326584
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@Tregaskis said in NZ Politics:
Don't worry, it's only two old white men lost to the Greens.
Bradbury: Losing two grumpy old white men won’t hurt Green hopes of igniting that electorate.
Gets called out on his identity politics in the comments in his blog post.
One of them is part maori which is a bit inconvenient.
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@Tregaskis said in NZ Politics:
Don't worry, it's only two old white men lost to the Greens.
Bradbury: Losing two grumpy old white men won’t hurt Green hopes of igniting that electorate.
Gets called out on his identity politics in the comments in his blog post.
Jesus I wish I hadn't clicked on that. THIS comment "Graham was never really a Green. He was a diplomat and believes in the environmental side of the party but is definitely to the right of every other Green MP." So there you have it. You've got a bunch of people here and elsewhere saying they'd vote for the Greens if they stuck to environmental issues, while another bunch slag off a Green MP for being there only for the environmental issues. Politics is a crazy world alright.
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Yes, I read Clendon's iwi affiliations.
The Greens' website has expunged all memory of Graham and Clendon. https://www.greens.org.nz/ourpeople (just in case it's not already on your favourites list).
Weirdly, their news section doesn't say anything [yet] about the loss of two MPs.
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The greens were the media darlings for way too long now the news outlets can't give them enough negative press. Doper in particular has been pretty blunt about this all along, he must have been smiling as he wrote this.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899899
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Shaws backing away fromthe shitty things they said last night , apparently they were said in anger . He is some sort of environmentalist why is he sticking with these leftards ?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899891
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That Meg Williams nutter has taken down her tweet, too late for it not to be picked up. Looking at her twitter feed there's bugger all about the environment and all kinds of emotive crap about poverty and inequality. Even batshit Mandy Hagar is in there. How many votes is losing any pretence of being a Green Party going to cost them combined with Jacindamania? I reckon they'll be back around 7%.
shit last week was crazy now this.
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What is most bizarre is that the Greens are THE most screechy when it comes to demanding others resign.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga What did her tweet say?
On behalf of the young greens she told the two that quit to get fucked the next tweet was asking how to send shit to their house.
Well that's mature. They've certainly swung my vote their way...
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@Rembrandt said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga What did her tweet say?
Also very curious.
Anyone got a screenshot? I have many Green friends whom I enjoying enlightening on just how feral their cause has become.
Screenshot here,
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So how does this affect the election? Does the Greens debacle make it easier for Ardern to sideline the MoA and do a deal with Winnie? Where would that leave National?
Maybe having Andrew Little as leader until last week has turned out to be a masterstroke off strategy for Labour, having lowered expectations so much that a change to mediocrity would be perceived as the second coming?
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Surely this can all only help Labour? Greens in freefall and collecting rocks on the way. Those voters will surely go to Labour?
The best thing Labour could do right now is put out a pie in the sky environmental idea and they will have green voters running towards them
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
So how does this affect the election? Does the Greens debacle make it easier for Ardern to sideline the MoA and do a deal with Winnie? Where would that leave National?
Maybe having Andrew Little as leader until last week has turned out to be a masterstroke off strategy for Labour, having lowered expectations so much that a change to mediocrity would be perceived as the second coming?
It's amazing how things have fallen for Labour. To my mind they are an absolute shambles, replacing their leader just 2 months out from the election with someone who is not only a career politician, but has very limited experience and in her own words such bad anxiety issues that she does not even feel she is capable or ready to lead the party.
But all of that has been papered over by the media's overwhelmingly positive reaction to her, and the Greens just absolutely self-destructing at the hands of Turei. Now suddenly it appears like it is game-on - whether it actually is though is yet to be seen, as the last election was meant to be close(ish) and ended up an absolute landslide to National despite the chatter on social media etc.
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Those voters leaving the Greens will be the right sided or environment focused voters. After all, the Graham-Clendon saga is a clear indicator that the Marxist sisterhood is strongly in the ascendency here. Only the emasculated James Shaw and the invisible Gareth Hughes stand between the Greens and a full female top ten.
When voters leave, I reckon the majority will go to Labour with a smaller number to TOP. I don't know whether NZF would pick up any. I'm certainly happy for TOP to get some ex-Green voters (obviously without TOP getting to 5%) because that would increase the wastage in the "progressive" vote. In the 2014 election the wastage was more than 6% though most of that was the right sided Conservatives' 4% (Internet-Mana voters wasted 1.4%).
The Greens should still pass 5% but their support could perhaps halve from current levels. That could mean anywhere between 5-8%. They got 10.7% at the last election.
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@Tregaskis What does that mean practically speaking? If we assume that Labour pick up the disillusioned Greens, isn't there a point at which the Green vote becomes immaterial enough for Labour to ignore as part of a coalition, leaving room for Winnie who may never have considered being part of anything involving the Greens?
Winston must be over the moon with the way things are playing out. Single malts all round.
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