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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga death penalty if deported was why the UK had to keep old Hook hand the extremist wasnt it?
I know these lawyers that defend scum like this like to claim the moral high ground of everyone deserves justice and a good defence, but do they really believe that or is it all about the $$$?
I mean you know a guy is guilty as sin, deserves it all, but you get him off the charges due to a technicality somewhere, does that make you feel great as a Lawyer or a person, and then if he then goes and kills someone, do you feel bad for keeping him out there?
I take your point but the right to a fair trial for everyone is an absolute cornerstone of our society, and I wouldn't sacrifice that for anything. Better a guilty man walks free than an innocent man jailed.
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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga death penalty if deported was why the UK had to keep old Hook hand the extremist wasnt it?
I know these lawyers that defend scum like this like to claim the moral high ground of everyone deserves justice and a good defence, but do they really believe that or is it all about the $$$?
I mean you know a guy is guilty as sin, deserves it all, but you get him off the charges due to a technicality somewhere, does that make you feel great as a Lawyer or a person, and then if he then goes and kills someone, do you feel bad for keeping him out there?
I take your point but the right to a fair trail for everyone is an absolute cornerstone of our society, and I wouldn't sacrifice that for anything. Better a guilt man walks free than an innocent man jailed.
I agree but sometimes you have to wonder what kind of person sues corrections because they lost a pedophiles wig. There’s giving your client the best defender possible and then there’s being a fluffybunny.
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This shit makes me sick, both at the leniency as well as the fact that he has a new partner, how the fuck do you get a new partner when you've murdered a toddler?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga death penalty if deported was why the UK had to keep old Hook hand the extremist wasnt it?
I know these lawyers that defend scum like this like to claim the moral high ground of everyone deserves justice and a good defence, but do they really believe that or is it all about the $$$?
I mean you know a guy is guilty as sin, deserves it all, but you get him off the charges due to a technicality somewhere, does that make you feel great as a Lawyer or a person, and then if he then goes and kills someone, do you feel bad for keeping him out there?
Not one bit. Guys that defend scumbags like that have a moral flexibility that allows them to say it's just a job
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga death penalty if deported was why the UK had to keep old Hook hand the extremist wasnt it?
I know these lawyers that defend scum like this like to claim the moral high ground of everyone deserves justice and a good defence, but do they really believe that or is it all about the $$$?
I mean you know a guy is guilty as sin, deserves it all, but you get him off the charges due to a technicality somewhere, does that make you feel great as a Lawyer or a person, and then if he then goes and kills someone, do you feel bad for keeping him out there?
Not one bit. Guys that defend scumbags like that have a moral flexibility that allows them to say it's just a job
That shewhale that defended Clayton Weatherston springs to mind, how the fuck she sleeps at night is a mystery . Probably with some difficulty, people her size often have sleep apnea.
Wasn’t defending Ewen MacDonald supposed to be one of the things that drove Greg King to suicide?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@jegga death penalty if deported was why the UK had to keep old Hook hand the extremist wasnt it?
I know these lawyers that defend scum like this like to claim the moral high ground of everyone deserves justice and a good defence, but do they really believe that or is it all about the $$$?
I mean you know a guy is guilty as sin, deserves it all, but you get him off the charges due to a technicality somewhere, does that make you feel great as a Lawyer or a person, and then if he then goes and kills someone, do you feel bad for keeping him out there?
I hate to say it but a decent criminal defence is a necessary evil in order to maintain an attempt at a fair society. If people turned down these cases we would get more situations where innocent people are imprisoned. The down side is more evil people get away with evil but in a just western society that is preferable to someone being falsely imprisoned.
That said I'm sure some lawyers are scum but I'm also sure some are aware of this and it must take a hell of a toll on them and be an extremely difficult job.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12152832
The only course of action now is to send the scumbag home. More amateur hour stuff from Labour
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@rembrandt not denying that...doesn't make it any more palatable though.
So basically Labour will be looking for any reason now to overturn this decision to the one 99% of kiwis will have wanted in the first place.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@rembrandt not denying that...doesn't make it any more palatable though.
So basically Labour will be looking for any reason now to overturn this decision to the one 99% of kiwis will have wanted in the first place.
How many people are talking about Jami Lee Ross now?
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@rembrandt not denying that...doesn't make it any more palatable though.
So basically Labour will be looking for any reason now to overturn this decision to the one 99% of kiwis will have wanted in the first place.
How many people are talking about Jami Lee Ross now?
True that...
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We need smiley pics of St. C, Neve and Megan and all will be well
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Despite all of the above comments there were a spate of features on the coalitions first year and almost all from various sources (even Hosking) were positive. In fact the most negative I read was from the heat of e tu.
Meanwhile St Cindy is rating as high as Key was at his peak and Labour have overtaken Nats.
the country at large seem more interested in baby Neve and Harry and whatever her name is than business confidence.
Nats have done well to hold their numbers at pretty much what they were on election night but they still remain without a coalition partner and should the gap to labour increase by say another 3 points it could all turn ugly.
I think we should expect another Labour term unless the economy goes into free fall. Kiwi's tend to give all but the most abject governments' at least six years and as above National still haven't addressed the issue that cost them the last election.
Hoping NF and / or the Greens implode so it becomes a two horse race is a pretty desperate strategy IMO and even if another partner were to emerge its more probable to be to their right and therefore likely to suck away their votes at least as much as Labours.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Despite all of the above comments there were a spate of features on the coalitions first year and almost all from various sources (even Hosking) were positive. In fact the most negative I read was from the heat of e tu.
Meanwhile St Cindy is rating as high as Key was at his peak and Labour have overtaken Nats.
the country at large seem more interested in baby Neve and Harry and whatever her name is than business confidence.
Nats have done well to hold their numbers at pretty much what they were on election night but they still remain without a coalition partner and should the gap to labour increase by say another 3 points it could all turn ugly.
I think we should expect another Labour term unless the economy goes into free fall. Kiwi's tend to give all but the most abject governments' at least six years and as above National still haven't addressed the issue that cost them the last election.
Hoping NF and / or the Greens implode so it becomes a two horse race is a pretty desperate strategy IMO and even if another partner were to emerge its more probable to be to their right and therefore likely to suck away their votes at least as much as Labours.
On what basis do you support the cliam that St Cindy is rating as high as Key was at his peak ?
Because that sounds like complete and utter made up bollox straight from the Labour PR dept. -
@baron-silas-greenback said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Despite all of the above comments there were a spate of features on the coalitions first year and almost all from various sources (even Hosking) were positive. In fact the most negative I read was from the heat of e tu.
Meanwhile St Cindy is rating as high as Key was at his peak and Labour have overtaken Nats.
the country at large seem more interested in baby Neve and Harry and whatever her name is than business confidence.
Nats have done well to hold their numbers at pretty much what they were on election night but they still remain without a coalition partner and should the gap to labour increase by say another 3 points it could all turn ugly.
I think we should expect another Labour term unless the economy goes into free fall. Kiwi's tend to give all but the most abject governments' at least six years and as above National still haven't addressed the issue that cost them the last election.
Hoping NF and / or the Greens implode so it becomes a two horse race is a pretty desperate strategy IMO and even if another partner were to emerge its more probable to be to their right and therefore likely to suck away their votes at least as much as Labours.
On what basis do you support the cliam that St Cindy is rating as high as Key was at his peak ?
Because that sounds like complete and utter made up bollox straight from the Labour PR dept.@dogmeat
Ok.. an article from 2011 says that key was on 55%, I think he was on at least 60% at one stage (edit : 59% apparently) . Arden is only on 42%... so you are only about 15-20% off....
Keys lowest preferred PM rating was 36.7%... and Ardern all time high is at 42%So yeah.. your claim is bollox.. in fact it is more accurate to say that Jacindas all time high is closer to Keys all time low than his all time high...
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@baron-silas-greenback That's a good example of the extremely biased coverage Taxinda gets. Fake News!
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