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@crucial Looking back, the sensible and logical thing to do would be ensure the people on the leave side actually have some sort of actual plan as to how the exit would work without fucking over the country and causing years of angst. Oh yeah, and not let all those who created this clusterfuck just skip away and leave others to try and salvage something from the ruins.
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@crucial Looking back, the sensible and logical thing to do would be ensure the people on the leave side actually have some sort of actual plan as to how the exit would work without fucking over the country and causing years of angst. Oh yeah, and not let all those who created this clusterfuck just skip away and leave others to try and salvage something from the ruins.
You're right, but that horse bolted immediately, sad to say.
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@crucial Looking back, the sensible and logical thing to do would be ensure the people on the leave side actually have some sort of actual plan as to how the exit would work without fucking over the country and causing years of angst. Oh yeah, and not let all those who created this clusterfuck just skip away and leave others to try and salvage something from the ruins.
That's what I was getting at.
IMO all the referendum decided was that the people of the UK would like to leave the EU.
All the govt had to say is 'ok, we can make that happen but it will take quite a bit of planning so we are in a strong position to negotiate terms with both the EU and future trading partners'
But no, the political wrangling reared straight up with the leave side saying 'the people want this and that' and continuing the ludicrous stance that the UK could just give Europe the finger and walk off. These were the same people that declared that the UK would be instantly better off by the tune of 100s of millions of pounds a week. A fee of £37.5b later and they are only at the point of negotiating room to work out the things they had room to do at the start.As much as May cops a lot of well deserved flak, you have to admire her steadfastness and survival skills if nothing else. It was just a stupid referendum and even more stupid initial handling (that led to a crazy election).
If this very left wing Labour walks into power simply because they don't have to make the decisions and therefore look a bit better the people deserve what they get (endless transport strikes for a start)
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Does make me wonder what a hindsight referendum would say, especially considering how much bullshit was spouted before it took place regarding benefits and costs and risks etc by certain personalities involved who have long since sailed off into the sunset.
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Does make me wonder what a hindsight referendum would say, especially considering how much bullshit was spouted before it took place regarding benefits and costs and risks etc by certain personalities involved who have long since sailed off into the sunset.
Trouble is that the question is now more complicated. There is no way a simple re-run of the same question will take place so it begs to be decided what a question would say.
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Jacob Rees Mogg
When a man with his wealth chooses to wear a suit which would look baggy on Pavarotti then you know we're in trouble.
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Baldrick named as new Brexit Secretary
November 15, 2018
Written by Lucas WildeIn the wake up several high-profile cabinet resignations, Theresa May has made her most sensible choice for a cabinet Minister yet.
Baldrick has been named the new Brexit Secretary, having displayed exceptional ability for cunning plans in seemingly desperate situations between the 15th and 20th centuries.
“This is definitely a step in the right direction for Brexit,” agreed political pundit, Simon Williams.
“Government insiders are already claiming that Baldrick’s cunning mind will prove to be invaluable when it comes to navigating Brexit, managing the economy and finding out exactly what the hell to do about everyone’s bins once we leave the EU.
“When your team already contains people like Michael Gove, adding Baldrick to the cabinet certainly adds some intellectual heft to the organisation – I’m sure the EU is keeping an eye on the developments.
“The appointment may seem a little out of left field, but keep in mind the last Brexit Secretary didn’t actually know what the English Channel was for.”
Not everyone was in agreement about the positive aspects of the appointment of the new Brexit Secretary.
Business leader Edmund Blackadder, said, “I don’t want to be unkind to Baldrick, but he makes it so terribly difficult to praise him.
“With that in mind, I have to say this is the worst appointment since my great-grandfather booked in for a short back and sides at Sweeney Todd’s Barber Shop.”
Baldrick said, “Thank you, Mr B, for those kind words.
“Anyway, I look forward to being Breakfast Secretary and I’m keen to get started right away. Who wants eggs?”
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@mikethesnow said in Brexit:
Jacob Rees Mogg
When a man with his wealth chooses to wear a suit which would look baggy on Pavarotti then you know we're in trouble.
Cometh the hour cometh the man
Uh huh, Yeah you go girl! snap snap snap
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Lets be honest the biggest fluffybunnies in the room are the EU wankstains. They are demanding that Britain sign a deal that they cannot get out of without EU permission? Forever?
Fuck off
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@baron-silas-greenback 100% and the absolute cancer of British media won't show that.
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The PM/Cabinet totally deserves to be humiliated by parliament for their gormless performance on this.
Post vote, whilst acknowledging that the majority wanted to take back control of immigration and law, the PMC determined that it wanted, in effect, to remain in the single market.
The EU made it clear at the beginning that single market access required signing up for EU immigration and law, so the only options for the UK were the Norway or Canada models. They have not wavered from this.
Nonetheless, the PMC has spent the best part of two years pursuing a pipe dream instead of choosing one of the two possible ways forward, or a no trade deal exit and working to get it done.
Without having read the dox I'm only basing my views on the media, but it appears that the deal being presented amounts to a stand still on trade, for which the bill is E20bn. To my mind almost nothing worthwhile will come into effect before 31 December 2020.
That wouldn't have been so bad, if the parties had agreed that, the can having been kicked down the road, the next 24 months would be spent finalising a trade deal to come into effect 1 Jan 2021 OR reaching the conclusion that a no trade deal exit was unavoidable and making the necessary arrangements.
Instead, what is proposed is a backstop on a backstop. There seems to be absolutely no merit in this, and it is in fact an incentive for the EU not to get serious in negotiations in the next 2 years.
Moreover, no democratic government can properly enter with a foreign party into a trade treaty where the foreign power makes all the rules AND has a veto on the country ever leaving.
All this is put down to the need to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland. Talk about the tail wagging the dog!
It ought to be entirely feasible for the UK to run Northern Ireland trade in a fashion whereby the UK does not need to erect a hard border. In which case if the EU doesn't want a hard border then the simple answer is for it not to erect one. It's not beyond the wit of man.
In fact, what the EU is actually saying is that it refuses to accept that Northern Ireland can ever leave the EU, even if the rest of the UK does.
I call bullshit.
It appears plenty of MPs are doing so too.
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I think the reality is many put in charge of this are remainers regardless, by offering up a terrible deal they are hoping to go against the democratic will of the people and put remain back on the table.
Just tell the EU to go &%&^ themselves, I mean they are now calling for a European army and have successfully outsourced their anti-semitism needs via mass migration. Uncle Adolf would be proud.
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
The remainer in the background shouting out his key arguments particularly hilarious
The offspring of Himmler and Postman Pat
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@mikethesnow said in Brexit:
@rembrandt said in Brexit:
The remainer in the background shouting out his key arguments particularly hilarious
The offspring of Himmler and Postman Pat
A proud British icon with German efficiency, he's got my vote!
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