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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA It's not like they are forcing one of their muslim players to eat pork. He just had to stay of social media with anything resembling hate speech. His dad probably put him up to it anyway, and it's working out perfectly for him
I am uneasy with the term 'hate speech' being used so regularly today. I don't think it's definable in any meaningful way - it's basically just speech that causes offense, which is potentially anything, especially given the way people are now seeking out things they can take offense to.
Do you think what he said was appropriate?
Appropriate and inappropriate aren't relevant though for this. I probably said something a little inappropriate on Saturday at the races but it wasn't hate speech
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA It's not like they are forcing one of their muslim players to eat pork. He just had to stay of social media with anything resembling hate speech. His dad probably put him up to it anyway, and it's working out perfectly for him
I am uneasy with the term 'hate speech' being used so regularly today. I don't think it's definable in any meaningful way - it's basically just speech that causes offense, which is potentially anything, especially given the way people are now seeking out things they can take offense to.
In Australia at least the legislative framework around this sort of thing is a pretty complex web. There are federal laws (racial discrimination and criminal code) and different State laws that cover discrimination, offensive, vilification etc. From what I recall I don’t think there is an actual statute definition of the term ‘hate speech’ but all the laws define types of speech on certain grounds.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA It's not like they are forcing one of their muslim players to eat pork. He just had to stay of social media with anything resembling hate speech. His dad probably put him up to it anyway, and it's working out perfectly for him
I am uneasy with the term 'hate speech' being used so regularly today. I don't think it's definable in any meaningful way - it's basically just speech that causes offense, which is potentially anything, especially given the way people are now seeking out things they can take offense to.
In Australia at least the legislative framework around this sort of thing is a pretty complex web. There are federal laws (racial discrimination and criminal code) and different State laws that cover discrimination, offensive, vilification etc. From what I recall I don’t think there is an actual statute definition of the term ‘hate speech’ but all the laws define types of speech on certain grounds.
Sounds like lots of grey area. A lawyer's wet dream
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA It's not like they are forcing one of their muslim players to eat pork. He just had to stay of social media with anything resembling hate speech. His dad probably put him up to it anyway, and it's working out perfectly for him
I am uneasy with the term 'hate speech' being used so regularly today. I don't think it's definable in any meaningful way - it's basically just speech that causes offense, which is potentially anything, especially given the way people are now seeking out things they can take offense to.
In Australia at least the legislative framework around this sort of thing is a pretty complex web. There are federal laws (racial discrimination and criminal code) and different State laws that cover discrimination, offensive, vilification etc. From what I recall I don’t think there is an actual statute definition of the term ‘hate speech’ but all the laws define types of speech on certain grounds.
Yeah, it's quite telling that the term 'hate speech' is not itself defined despite it being bandied about today. Discrimination, particularly in employment, is already covered under the law, and I would be strongly against attempting to expand those laws to include people just stating their opinions.
This case is of course about the power of employers to regulate speech, but for me the same principles apply. I don't think a 'code of conduct' should include people just stating their opinions, it should be far more specific than that.
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A former Australian netball captain, Liz Ellis, has hooked into Maria Folau for being married to a monster and is criticising the Australian and South Australian netball organisations for not saying so first.
Maria Folau plays for an Adelaide team which is being stared at by all right thinking Australians at this very moment, until it says something official and nasty about the horrid fellow.
The New Zealand sheila running the ARU (no-one knows why) has made some comment today about the immorality of stealing donations from kiddie cancer victims.
Simply put, everyone is busily looking after their corner by making life miserable for Israel Folau for inviting drunks and womanisers and half a dozen other sinner types to repent.
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Mob to turn on Maria now.
Peace, tolerance, love is love but don't you dare even think about showing support for your husband or we will fricken end you you hateful bigoted fluffybunny. 🌈🌈🌈
After the election, that hideous bushpig Meshel Laurie labelled Australians as "dumb, mean-spirited and greedy". She's not only still safely employed, but I can't recall anyone going after whatever blind and/or mentally disabled creature is unfortunate enough to have shacked up with her. This is despite her insulting millions of Australians.
But she can say that because?
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
Simply put, everyone is busily looking after their corner by making life miserable for Israel Folau for inviting drunks and womanisers and half a dozen other sinner types to repent.
And here we get to the crux of the issue: the inference that Folau believes they should repent, as if homosexuality is a choice; something they can be cured of, or simply deny their homosexual urges.
Does anyone here believe that?
As for making people miserable: Folau is just as responsible for the ongoing drama as anyone. Surely, the good book tells him to turn the other cheek? If he's serious about a higher calling, that is.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
Simply put, everyone is busily looking after their corner by making life miserable for Israel Folau for inviting drunks and womanisers and half a dozen other sinner types to repent.
And here we get to the crux of the issue: the inference that Folau believes they should repent, as if homosexuality is a choice; something they can be cured of, or simply deny their homosexual urges.
Does anyone here believe that?
As for making people miserable: Folau is just as responsible for the ongoing drama as anyone. Surely, the good book tells him to turn the other cheek? If he's serious about a higher calling, that is.
To be fair Nick, good luck trying to deny one's hetrosexual urges by remaining voluntarily celibate until you tie the knot. I don't think even most Christians are able to make that choice. And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
He would also be saying that kids who die without being baptized are going to hell. What choice did they have?
This isn't a homophobe thing, it's a fanatical Christian thing. It's so whacky and absurd that I can't believe people are taking it so seriously.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
Why? You worried about not getting into heaven?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
Why? You worried about not getting into heaven?
Been there, done that. Got the kids to prove it 😉
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
The good book doesn’t hazard an opinion on squeezing your own lemon. What it does point out is that wasting your holy water is grounds for death:
“Genesis 38:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.”
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
The good book doesn’t hazard an opinion on squeezing your own lemon. What it does point out is that wasting your holy water is grounds for death:
“Genesis 38:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.”
Well well, appears there's even more danger to the pull out than we originally thought.
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
And all farking bets are off if you can't even choke the chicken.
Anyone got a Bible reference for poultry strangulation? 😉
The good book doesn’t hazard an opinion on squeezing your own lemon. What it does point out is that wasting your holy water is grounds for death:
“Genesis 38:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.”
Onan. That's hilarious! The Norwegian word for masturbation is onani. Onan definitely left a lasting legacy even if God smote him down.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel spread all over Europe. Mostly on the ground.
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I'm starting to wonder exactly what Folau said in his code of conduct hearing and if RA felt they could not have him on their books.
He seems to be unequivocally sure of himself and all of his actions. So much so, that he obviously had very little concern about the PR from starting up the go fund me, when it's clearly obvious that despite it garnering some support from existing supporters, it was only likely to alienate more, and further enrage detractors.
I really do think that in the code of conduct he basically said he did nothing wrong, he wasn't sorry, and although he appreciated that some may view it as exclusive / hate speech or whatever, he would do it again as he's just helping out with the Lord's work.
Acknowledge this is just hearsay, but given events I have ever reason to believe that's how it went down. Subsequently, that's a pretty shit spot to put RA in.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions