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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
True but those messy backlashes won't last as long or cause as much suffering as the economic ramifications of seeing a plan through to it's conclusion.
Something about making your bed and lying in it...His point is it would cause both.
Triggering more protests causing more chance of spread.
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@Rapido yes it was a good point.
As of yesterday though, the prime minister's tepid response to breaking COVID protocol demonstrates that it's become less vital to New Zealanders so perhaps we should shift focus to the impending economic and employment pandemic, after we clean up America of course.
Patently the spread is less important than it was 2 days ago.
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Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!
No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Nathan Parrott, an Australian, has been told he is not allowed to appeal the rejection of his application to enter New Zealand. Nor is he allowed to email immigration officials back about it.
What will they do, say no again?
Bureaucrats following the rules as writ.
It is worth reading through to the end of the article though as this kind of puts a different perspective on what is implied in the headline by 'expecting dad'
“She's in the second half of pregnancy and I haven't even seen her since becoming pregnant. Me being there to support her will allow her to stay employed and continue being a contributing member to New Zealand’s recovery.”
So she is 6 and a half months gone and still working. He doesn't 'need' to be here, just wants to be.
The reverse situation to Oz is just the same.
The whole things smacks of wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Is an Oz citizen that left his wife in NZ to work in the US, came back to father a child then left again and got caught out by border closures.
That's the risk you chose to take mate.
Yeah, what an arsehole travelling for work!
No reason he can't come in and go for a two week quarantine, as has been demonstrated by the many exceptions they have already made. As usual, no empathy from the authoritarian types.
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal? If so they have hundreds, if not thousands, trying to use partners to enter the country when they never sorted out their own status before this hit to protect the risk of separation.
People have strange expectations around countries that they aren't citizens of.He isn't an arsehole for travelling for work but NZ is not his place of residence, he is not a citizen. He works overseas and is an Australian citizen. What rights does that give him? Just the ones he assumes? When travelling or working overseas there is a risk involved. It has turned int an issue for him.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.
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@Hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Opens the floodgates though. Under what 'reason' would they be allowing him in? Spousal?
Do you think he could reasonably expect to be with his wife for the birth of their child? Because at 7 months, you're getting into the drop zone.
Personally, I'd be opening the borders providing people are prepared to quarantine and pay. Much fairer than trying to decide who does and who doesn't get to come in by fiat
I'm not keen for open borders yet until we see more control in other countries.
Absolutely. I am in no hurry to re-enter lockdown because we let some germ bag into the country to kick off another wave
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Hooroo @canefan you guys realise that 'quarantine' bit is what we're doing at the moment though right?
If we quarantine people, don't we keep C19 out?
I don't think you can fully open borders at the moment and manage it in quarantine
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surely if people want to come here, have to self-quarantine in an approved facility (at own expense?) why not?
The article about the Avatar staff said they were footing the bill for quarantine, but Taxpayers were paying for the security side of things??
I dont want this back in NZ, but surely in cases such as the above, circumstances dictate a bit of common sense?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
surely if people want to come here, have to self-quarantine in an approved facility (at own expense?) why not?
The article about the Avatar staff said they were footing the bill for quarantine, but Taxpayers were paying for the security side of things??
I dont want this back in NZ, but surely in cases such as the above, circumstances dictate a bit of common sense?
I'm okay with people coming in and quarantining for 14 days. That means that only returning citizens and people coming for a specific purpose like the movie crew. Tourists aren't going to accept 14 days quarantine so they won't be coming yet and anyone suspected of trying to sneak in should be sent back
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@canefan this is total hearsay (sauce bottle could be iffy) but I overhead a PT talking to his client at the gym today. The client reckoned that some of the film crew were cruising around Wellington city. No idea if that is legit - but I'd bloody hope not. Irrespective of whatever quarantine the crew may have done elsewhere that 14 days at the NZ end is non-negotiable. Wellies is a small city so no doubt we'll hear more if there is any truth to this.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan this is total hearsay (sauce bottle could be iffy) but I overhead a PT talking to his client at the gym today. The client reckoned that some of the film crew were cruising around Wellington city. No idea if that is legit - but I'd bloody hope not. Irrespective of whatever quarantine the crew may have done elsewhere that 14 days at the NZ end is non-negotiable. Wellies is a small city so no doubt we'll hear more if there is any truth to this.
That's what I'm afraid of
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