Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We were told to treat everybody as if they had Covid - including ourselves - and yet when 2 people actually have it we let them roam the countryside. Crass stupidity.
Meanwhile this one slipped through almost unnoticed
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340406
FFS I want to see someone's head on a pike. And these two teens can fuck off back where they came from. Regardless of if they are NZ citizens or not
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There was an ex Radio NZ journo interviewed on Morning Report today. She is managed isolation at the Novotel Akl Airport.
What she had to say was very disturbing. Everything from the moment she touched down has been very organised and professional. Temperature taken and an in depth interview before getting to immigration. Everyone socially distancing. Taken to a conference facility at the hotel for more screening asked questions about dietary requirements etc. Every day they have to answer questions about their health and they are tested twice whilst in managed isolation. Hotel staff in full PPE and social distancing at all times. Communication very clear. A thoroughly professional set up.
However - Air NZ FFS.
She flew London - Melbourne on Emirates. One passenger per row - you had to wear a mask at all times - even when asleep. If the mask slipped you would be woken to adjust it. Stewardesses in full PPE throughout.
Contrast this with ANZ on the Melbourne - Akl leg. Plane was a code share with every seat occupied. No social distancing. Effectively a pre-COVID flight. Stewards had no PPE and when asked confirmed that when they land they go home to their families with no restrictions at all. So the cabin staff on the flight with the two new cases could have been sitting next to you for a couple of hours at Eden Park, at the table adjacent at the café or standing in the queue with you at the shops.
This is happening every day and is IMO an even greater risk than the two women who escaped quarantine
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Well these two pairs of fucktards have stuffed up any degree of leniency or personal responsibility around exemptions. But they've also highlighted that we clearly have issues around how we are managing this. If we don't learn from this lesson and go militant on running our isolation systems then wtf. We just can't leave this up to personal responsibility and a light touch.
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Re the two women, I don't believe for a second they didn't stop at least once for the loo, or a coffee or food. Even with snacks and water, sometimes you just need something more substantial. And that's a long drive.
Re the teens aka selfish little shits, I am completely happy for the govt to go full dragon on those who flout quarantine rules. We cannot manage anything on hope and luck. No overseas folk can mess up our level one. The good of five million should always overrule the good of one, can you even imagine the shit that would hit the fan if we had to return to a higher level cos of an exemption granted without decent, robust systems in place.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they can drive that distance on a tank of gas, my old holden can do so.
I get they can be prepared and have food and water for the trip so not having to stop.I don't get that there is one, let alone two women on this planet that can drive all that way with out having to go to the toilet..... twice!!
If it is proven that they stopped and went to the toilet in the forest or something then we don't have a lot to worry about (except the incompetence of letting them go in the first place)
I am very sceptical that they didn't use a public facility or a friends place on the way down.
First thing my wife said too. We are being lied to.
Is the family name Cummings?
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC agree, but i do wonder how many layers exist between the PM and Bloomers and who is running the show on the ground.
Bloomfield's job then is to either cut through those layers, or to ensure competency throughout layers managing quarantine given he's their overall boss. There's no more acute health system issue at the moment, and yet Ministry of Health processes have more holes than the Titanic.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil I heard our glorious leader this morning. Tight lipped anger was how I would describe it. Not at all fluffy. More FFS you fluffybunnies this is the last thing I need right now.
It doesn't dispel the idea that she is surrounded by idiots. These are the tip of the iceberg, just the ones we get to hear about. I'm sure the reality is far more horrifying
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan lol so kind of like most workplaces then?
100%, and exactly why I get so worried about centralisation of power
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so NZ now has to sit on tenterhooks for the next 14 or so days to find out how big of a fuck up this is, or as we all hope, just a massive lesson!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
so NZ now has to sit on tenterhooks for the next 14 or so days to find out how big of a fuck up this is, or as we all hope, just a massive lesson!
one assumes that over the past 3 months much has been done to make NZ more ready to handle a health emergency of this magnitude, and therefore any "outbreak" can now be handled much better, without the need to lock everyone in their homes again
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
so NZ now has to sit on tenterhooks for the next 14 or so days to find out how big of a fuck up this is, or as we all hope, just a massive lesson!
one assumes that over the past 3 months much has been done to make NZ more ready to handle a health emergency of this magnitude, and therefore any "outbreak" can now be handled much better, without the need to lock everyone in their homes again
You have more faith than I do.
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@mariner4life thats the theory, still doesnt make thier monumental fuck up any easier to take.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life thats the theory, still doesnt make thier monumental fuck up any easier to take.
i understand that, i guess my feelings, and posts, are based more on my position here
We still have new cases every day. But not many, and most are people coming back from overseas. Despite this, state borders remain closed, and there are no flights moving around the country.
yes, increased movement will probably involve some spread, that's inevitable. But, given the numbers we are dealing with, they should be able to be dealt with, especially because i know Aus has a better response ability now than it did in March.
This thing still exists, we have to get used to that. We can't isolate indefinitely.
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@mariner4life no we cant, but these 2 should never have been in a position to spread it is the issue here, we had them in isolation.
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Reading an article about this in the newspaper, the point was made that wearing face masks should be mandatory on all flights for any incoming international arrivals. That would be up to the airlines to enforce but would minimise the risk of infection during the flight and for all staff at the airport before isolation in NZ.
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Does anyone have any faith in the Ministry of Health contact tracing system?
I've only been able to get the app to work on my work mobile. And in about three quarters of places I've been there's no QR code to scan. Shopping centres seem to be especially slack at having them anywhere.