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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Good news for NZF - centre right voters may desert National so that Winnie can be a hand brake. Left wing Labour voters may also feel comfortable switching to the Greens.
This is the part that annoys me if it comes to fruition.
I never wake up upset or unhappy if Labour or National are in power. Everything stays pretty much the same but with a bit of minor noise.
If Greens held too much sway or NZF, then I would be disappointed with who's in govt. When I say sway I mean that they have a lot more power than just buddying up come Election time
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Hooroo the counter-argument is that 'Everything stays pretty much the same but with a bit of minor noise' because the minor parties prevent Labour / National going down ideological avenues.
It's the argument the likes of @Kirwan use against MMP
The advantage of FPP was that a party like Labour or National could actually move us forward (even if some of the country didn't agree). Under MMP 7% of the country decided that the minority party (Labour) should form the government and then that same 7% proceeded to stop Labour on several of their policies.
In effect we are now stuck with changes around the edges, with no large changes happening. That obviously can be a good thing, but I think its halts progress more.
As for the poll, it's super similar to Labour last time around (They got to 23% from memory, turfed a few leaders, then the cult of personality kicked in and of course MMP). So it's possible, but extremely unlikely that National can form a government.
So with that context, I wonder if it would be a good thing for Labour to have a majority on their own. Social policy would move forward, but obviously they would fuck over the "rich" (read: people earning over $80,000). If Labour scooped up the Greens vote and they disappeared, that would be good. As would National getting NZ First votes and murdering that abomination of a party.
Get FFP back de facto.
I can dream.
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@Hooroo Photo emerged of 18 yr old candidate in Palmie with a fake moustache doing the old heil hitler salute
He was 14 at the time and has admitted he was a dickwad and apologised for the act. Other party leaders are saying to cut him slack while highlighting his age....
@Mokey I wonder how many candidates put their hands up. No one knew Labour would be floundering for a candidate 6 wks out from election day.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Hooroo Photo emerged of 18 yr old candidate in Palmie with a fake moustache doing the old heil hitler salute
He was 14 at the time and has admitted he was a dickwad and apologised for the act. Other party leaders are saying to cut him slack while highlighting his age....
@Mokey I wonder how many candidates put their hands up. No one knew Labour would be floundering for a candidate 6 wks out from election day.
That's a stupid thing to get worked up about. But IMO it's also stupid for an 18 year old to be standing.
I don't know any of my friends at that age that had not made some sort of Nazi joke, or other sort of bad taste joke. That's how you learn where the line is.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat Wasn't just that, he did the white supremacist sign in another photo at 17 (deleted, but the internet is forever.)
Sounds like a dick. And who the fark wants to be an MP at 18? (Jami LR and Chloe Swarbrick would be the youngest I can think of)
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat Wasn't just that, he did the white supremacist sign in another photo at 17 (deleted, but the internet is forever.)
Which sign was that, the OK one?
Edit: "Late last year Mr Wood posted then deleted a photo on social media which showed a friend, standing beside him, making a hand gesture adopted by white supremacists. His friend was also wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat."
That's a stretch IMO, wasn't even him and the OK sign means plenty of different things, especially to kiwis.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan The choice must have been really really dire if they went with an 18yo. Makes you wonder who the other possibilities for PN were.
... and going up against a cabinet minister too, with a reasonable local support. Wouldn't have seemed high risk, but not sure the seat was in play when the local electorate made that call.
Still happier having the locals do it than having centralised control (looking at you, Louisa Wall in Mangere)
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp I'm very, very curious about the tea in that particular situation considering she has some actual concrete achievements to her credit.
presume yuo're talking about Louisa Wall? from the outside, she seems to have annoyed central Party, and there were then machinations to squeeze her out. Beware the central command eh
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp I'm very, very curious about the tea in that particular situation considering she has some actual concrete achievements to her credit.
presume yuo're talking about Louisa Wall? from the outside, she seems to have annoyed central Party, and there were then machinations to squeeze her out. Beware the central command eh
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
The advantage of FPP was that a party like Labour or National could actually move us forward (even if some of the country didn't agree). Under MMP 7% of the country decided that the minority party (Labour) should form the government and then that same 7% proceeded to stop Labour on several of their policies.
Isn't the issue one of the two major parties actually moving forward with an unchecked madate with 39% of the vote like in 1981?
Yes you need a third party but I'd be seriously worried under a return to FPP after 30 years of the public being conditioned to giving minor parties oxygen that legitimate third or fourth parties would develop and carve out small, but not insignificant niches - maybe the urban Greens vote gathers steam as it has in Australia and a regional conservative party vote in the vein of NZF?
IRV is the best compromise for a country like NZ with a unicameral system and three year terms.
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@Snowy It wasn't much of a stretch to guess Winnie would go with Labour last time round. Gave him much more leverage plus there was history with English.
Plenty of people were predicting Nats were in trouble way out in 2017 despite their polling. They don't seem to have realised that with MMP you need friends.
I truly wonder how many National supporters who are embittered by the last result thought Brash was a genius when he nearly pulled off the same trick in 05. His problem was he played the race card to bolster support then found out he could only get into power by cosying up to the Maori Party - Utu.
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is it legal to post pictures of a 14 year old online without permission, or is the fact he is 18 now ok?
Genuinely question
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy It wasn't much of a stretch to guess Winnie would go with Labour last time round.
No it wasn't, nor the Greens. It would make the vote more transparent if they had to declare who was going to team up in advance though. Small parties still get into power and the public know what they are getting policy wise.
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