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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
The advantage of FPP was that a party like Labour or National could actually move us forward (even if some of the country didn't agree). Under MMP 7% of the country decided that the minority party (Labour) should form the government and then that same 7% proceeded to stop Labour on several of their policies.
Isn't the issue one of the two major parties actually moving forward with an unchecked madate with 39% of the vote like in 1981?
Yes you need a third party but I'd be seriously worried under a return to FPP after 30 years of the public being conditioned to giving minor parties oxygen that legitimate third or fourth parties would develop and carve out small, but not insignificant niches - maybe the urban Greens vote gathers steam as it has in Australia and a regional conservative party vote in the vein of NZF?
IRV is the best compromise for a country like NZ with a unicameral system and three year terms.
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@Snowy It wasn't much of a stretch to guess Winnie would go with Labour last time round. Gave him much more leverage plus there was history with English.
Plenty of people were predicting Nats were in trouble way out in 2017 despite their polling. They don't seem to have realised that with MMP you need friends.
I truly wonder how many National supporters who are embittered by the last result thought Brash was a genius when he nearly pulled off the same trick in 05. His problem was he played the race card to bolster support then found out he could only get into power by cosying up to the Maori Party - Utu.
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is it legal to post pictures of a 14 year old online without permission, or is the fact he is 18 now ok?
Genuinely question
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy It wasn't much of a stretch to guess Winnie would go with Labour last time round.
No it wasn't, nor the Greens. It would make the vote more transparent if they had to declare who was going to team up in advance though. Small parties still get into power and the public know what they are getting policy wise.
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Do the smaller parties think that declaring early limits their leverage? At least when one of the major parties can't go it alone. Winnie swings more than ghe others but he loves working them against each other.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
Do the smaller parties think that declaring early limits their leverage?
I would think so, but as a democratic system it would be good to know who was going to govern when you voted.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
Do the smaller parties think that declaring early limits their leverage? At least when one of the major parties can't go it alone. Winnie swings more than ghe others but he loves working them against each other.
He is the only one that sits on the fence. Greens in their current form (eco socialists) will never work with National, Act will never work with Labour. All the others are irrelevant. The system was not designed with Wily Win in mind
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
The system was not designed with Wily Win in mind
That's the problem.
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
Winnie swings
A swinger. That is just a horrible thought.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp I'm very, very curious about the tea in that particular situation considering she has some actual concrete achievements to her credit.
presume yuo're talking about Louisa Wall? from the outside, she seems to have annoyed central Party, and there were then machinations to squeeze her out. Beware the central command eh
Was the opposite - she annoyed the local electorate committee, and the Labour president brokered a deal in which Wall dropped out of the running for selection and is now high enough on the party list that she will still get elected.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300070300/national-still-in-disaster-territory-in-new-poll
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Not a political post, but definitely became a political issue...
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@taniwharugby but wait they said it was 100% safe!
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Collins questions if Ardern needs to play such a prominent role in covid19 press conferences. While I agree that she doesn't need to be there as much as she is, I think bringing this point up is not politically expedient
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Collins questions if Ardern needs to play such a prominent role in covid19 press conferences. While I agree that she doesn't need to be there as much as she is, I think bringing this point up is not politically expedient
It's part of the point about delaying the election. Taxinda is effectively the only one that can campaign under lockdown.
Very Trumpian of her.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Collins questions if Ardern needs to play such a prominent role in covid19 press conferences. While I agree that she doesn't need to be there as much as she is, I think bringing this point up is not politically expedient
It's part of the point about delaying the election. Taxinda is effectively the only one that can campaign under lockdown.
Very Trumpian of her.
I agree. But it is a tricky situation as some will see it as petty in the face of the covid19 crisis. A political minefield
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Collins questions if Ardern needs to play such a prominent role in covid19 press conferences. While I agree that she doesn't need to be there as much as she is, I think bringing this point up is not politically expedient
It's part of the point about delaying the election. Taxinda is effectively the only one that can campaign under lockdown.
Very Trumpian of her.
I agree. But it is a tricky situation as some will see it as petty in the face of the covid19 crisis. A political minefield
True, but what is the alternative? Meekly rollover? They are the opposition, and it's perfectly acceptable to point out things they disagree with. Especially when Miss Transparent "I never lie" is being disengenuous.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Collins questions if Ardern needs to play such a prominent role in covid19 press conferences. While I agree that she doesn't need to be there as much as she is, I think bringing this point up is not politically expedient
It's part of the point about delaying the election. Taxinda is effectively the only one that can campaign under lockdown.
Very Trumpian of her.
I agree. But it is a tricky situation as some will see it as petty in the face of the covid19 crisis. A political minefield
True, but what is the alternative? Meekly rollover? They are the opposition, and it's perfectly acceptable to point out things they disagree with. Especially when Miss Transparent "I never lie" is being disengenuous.
Yeah, you can't ignore it. At least JC is being a little more subtle than Soiman
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I think Robertson's point was valid. If Cindy was fronting Nats would simply change their attack to "She was front and centre when it was all going well but now she's gone into hiding"
I agree its a lose / lose particularly for National who haven't even had their campaign launch yet. Supposed to be Sunday in South Auckland - yeah nah.
The timing of the election is a smokescreen. Labour has already postponed the dissolution of parliament which is a clear sign that they are thinking of postponing.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I think Robertson's point was valid. If Cindy was fronting Nats would simply change their attack to "She was front and centre when it was all going well but now she's gone into hiding"
I agree its a lose / lose particularly for National who haven't even had their campaign launch yet. Supposed to be Sunday in South Auckland - yeah nah.
The timing of the election is a smokescreen. Labour has already postponed the dissolution of parliament which is a clear sign that they are thinking of postponing.
Labour absolutely do not want to postpone.
The delay to Monday is to give them time to work out how to spin it.
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@Kirwan I agree they don't want to postpone - why would they, it's all downside from here for them, but there are certain prerequisites they have to uphold in order to have an election. Chiefly they have to have polling stations. We cannot hold an election based on postal or online ballots. We can't have polling stations when Akl is at Lvl 3. So while they won't want to they will be forced to postpone.
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