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Is anyone else totally bemused by the National Party strategy - assuming there is one?
It seems to be fatally flawed to me. Trying to make Collins all cutesy and user friendly. Never going to win that battle. Might as well channel the inner pit bull and go all out.
If it was me I'd be campaigning along the lines of Vote Labour if you want moonbeams and unicorns but not if you want stuff done. Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders?
Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders
Put the snarl up against the Smile. Probably doomed to fail but at least you'd be trying. All National seem to be trying to achieve is something better than 2002 -
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@dogmeat absolutely. They seem utterly directionless. You are not going to out 'nice' Jacinda, so don't try. Should be hammering the question - how do we get out of this economic mess? Choice is more public holidays, uncontrolled spending ($1B/year growth/slush fund), no targets and lots of rhetoric -- or contrast with effective spending, targets, discipline and accountability.
I'm not sure I'd back the current lot of Nats to actually deliver that, but the advantage of opposition is you don't have to actually do anything until you get into power. Worked for the current lot - they have found out how hard it is to get infrastructure and land to allow house building.
Either way, doomed to failure, but at least you put up a choice to the electorate. This has been teh softest, most insipid election campaign I can remember. Everyone (including the politicians) seem tired, fed up with this, and looking forward to summer and a break.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat absolutely. They seem utterly directionless. You are not going to out 'nice' Jacinda, so don't try. Should be hammering the question - how do we get out of this economic mess? Choice is more public holidays, uncontrolled spending ($1B/year growth/slush fund), no targets and lots of rhetoric -- or contrast with effective spending, targets, discipline and accountability.
I'm not sure I'd back the current lot of Nats to actually deliver that, but the advantage of opposition is you don't have to actually do anything until you get into power. Worked for the current lot - they have found out how hard it is to get infrastructure and land to allow house building.
Either way, doomed to failure, but at least you put up a choice to the electorate. This has been teh softest, most insipid election campaign I can remember. Everyone (including the politicians) seem tired, fed up with this, and looking forward to summer and a break.
Couldnt agree more!
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Is anyone else totally bemused by the National Party strategy - assuming there is one?
It seems to be fatally flawed to me. Trying to make Collins all cutesy and user friendly. Never going to win that battle. Might as well channel the inner pit bull and go all out.
If it was me I'd be campaigning along the lines of Vote Labour if you want moonbeams and unicorns but not if you want stuff done. Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders?
Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders
Put the snarl up against the Smile. Probably doomed to fail but at least you'd be trying. All National seem to be trying to achieve is something better than 2002My Facebook is full of National announcements on policy and trying to set a vision. Good long term planning type stuff. Not sure where you are seeing the cutesy stuff, but I guess on TV?
To me it looks like they are positioning themselves as the party that can things done, and Labour as the party of broken promises (they are stacking up now) and people out of their depth.
Will it be enough change the media narrative, particularly about Taxinda? Probably not, but at least there are ideas being talked about instead of babies and the gender of a leader.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
I dunno about that. The media put their twist on things and FB allows them to set the agenda. It worked for Trump....
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
I dunno about that. The media put their twist on things and FB allows them to set the agenda. It worked for Trump....
It also worked for Obama.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
If you have a pattern of buying and selling your main home, you may still have some tax to pay.
Which is what we were talking about at the beginning. It's already there. Our tax regime covers this stuff already.
Agree, I was just posting to tidy up the last misconception (that a family home is always exempt from income tax on capital gains).
The main reasons houses are expensive are the cost of materials and that people budget on weekly payments, so low interest means they can afford a bigger mortgage so they offer more.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
No wonder the Nats are spending big on FB
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It's actually QI how the "marketing" works.
I thought that Mark Mitchell would be the Nat candidate for my area until I saw a billboard (of all antiquated things) with Chris Penk on it.
They redefined the boundaries, which I also didn't know, until I was trying to find out what happened to Mitchell.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
Consumer classification and targeting is standard practice in these circles that facebook sells on all its platforms eg Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp etc, it just feels even creepier when politicians do it. Not quite the levels of Cambridge Analytica, but you will probably see all sorts of unwanted ads in your social feeds.
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@bayimports said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
Consumer classification and targeting is standard practice in these circles that facebook sells on all its platforms eg Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp etc, it just feels even creepier when politicians do it. Not quite the levels of Cambridge Analytica, but you will probably see all sorts of unwanted ads in your social feeds.
and they are ads that you have to conciously click on. They don't just appear on tele.
Personally I don't click on any ads in FB.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@bayimports said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
Consumer classification and targeting is standard practice in these circles that facebook sells on all its platforms eg Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp etc, it just feels even creepier when politicians do it. Not quite the levels of Cambridge Analytica, but you will probably see all sorts of unwanted ads in your social feeds.
and they are ads that you have to conciously click on. They don't just appear on tele.
Personally I don't click on any ads in FB.
Who watches ads on television? Mute, change channel, not on streaming, and the younger lot don't even watch TV.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@bayimports said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan that message detail won’t get through to the unconverted if it is coming via Facebook.
Filter bubble is in effect for TV as well as most jounalists are left-leaning.
You can at least adjust the bubble on social media by following at least the two main parties and see their biased content directly. Then you can make your own mind up.
Also, local events where the MPs interact with the public directly also share the same content. My main point was that National's strategy has more policy than the sources that Dogmeat is viewing may indicate.
More than under the Key version of National too, some of the long term view subjects that he was looking for.
For those that look for information, yes.
Many people form opinions based on what reaches them without searching.
They are the ones that will be affected by media and advertising.
I guess my point is that the comments were around the advertising approach which is light on anything other than 'we think we are better than them'
Not much saying 'we have strong plans, check them out'That's not how advertising works on Facebook. You can target the people you think are going to vote for you (very granular, by demographics, creepy level of detail) and get those people to view your policy detail. People don't have to go searching at all.
Significantly more effective than radio or TV advertising.
Consumer classification and targeting is standard practice in these circles that facebook sells on all its platforms eg Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp etc, it just feels even creepier when politicians do it. Not quite the levels of Cambridge Analytica, but you will probably see all sorts of unwanted ads in your social feeds.
and they are ads that you have to conciously click on. They don't just appear on tele.
Personally I don't click on any ads in FB.
Who watches ads on television? Mute, change channel, not on streaming, and the younger lot don't even watch TV.
Apart from Sport, I don't watch any "live" TV. Everything I watch is recorded.
(Except Movie Channels)
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Saw something today that said Jacinda and Ashley are now politely disagreeing about the origin of the clusters. He says must have been introduced through the borders (airport/isolation facility/ports) she says no evidence of that.
Nifty trick to follow science when it suits.
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