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<p>Poor old Cameron is in a spot of bother now........not that he's done anything technically wrong - it does annoy me people here would rather get the pitchforks out and call for him to resign, rather than learn about unit trusts, or why money was sent offshore to invest in the 70s during capital controls, or what the capital gains tax allowances are etc etc </p>
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<p><sup>Ah. The 1970's in the UK. When the top rate of income tax was 98%. Now why would anyone want to take their money offshore just to save giving 98% of it to the Government?</sup></p>
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<p><sup>Ah. The 1970's in the UK. When the top rate of income tax was 98%. Now why would anyone want to take their money offshore just to save giving 98% of it to the Government?</sup></p>
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<p>I've had so many leftards from the Uk rant at me about Thatcher over the years and they always somehow forget to mention what things were like in the Uk before she got in.</p>
<p>Btw Labour here has been taken over by loons and last election they decided a shift to the left would be a surefire ticket to victory, it was a moronic call and they got their lowest election result ever .They commissioned a report into it and Bryan Gould who was in charge of the thing suggested that the only reason they lost was they didn't go far enough to the left....</p>
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<p>Unfortunately Brian Gould is one of our own Jegga. We're stuck with him and his smarm.</p> -
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<p>Unfortunately Brian Gould is one of our own Jegga. We're stuck with him and his smarm.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately hes from the naki but he was one of theirs for quite a while.If he wants to leave I'd help him pack. I would have paid good money to be at the event where Alan Duff chastised him over how much he'd spent renovating his residence at the universities expense.</p>
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<p>He's been writing books since he got back. Looks like he's due for another one if his last dirge is anything to go by.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Rescuing_the_New_Zealand_Economy.html?id=t-zsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en'>https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Rescuing_the_New_Zealand_Economy.html?id=t-zsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Without really knowing why, many New Zealanders are baffled and disturbed by the current economic turmoil of our cripplingly high interest rates and a massively over-valued New Zealand dollar that is destroying the returns of our mainstay exporters. Author Bryan Gould shows how an extreme policy straitjacket has been responsible for decades of damage to our productive economy. But importantly, this book also looks beyond the recent, depressing past to a more optimistic vision for the future, and lays out a way forward that utilises a more balanced and humane view of what economic management is about. Ultmately, it is a plea for people to become better informed and to enter into the debate about how we can revive the New Zealand economy.</span></p> -
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<p>I've had so many leftards from the Uk rant at me about Thatcher over the years and they always somehow forget to mention what things were like in the Uk before she got in.</p>
<p>Btw Labour here has been taken over by loons and last election they decided a shift to the left would be a surefire ticket to victory, it was a moronic call and they got their lowest election result ever .They commissioned a report into it and Bryan Gould who was in charge of the thing suggested that the only reason they lost was they didn't go far enough to the left....</p>
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<p>It was dire in the UK in 70's and early 80's and Thatcher and her cohorts deserve recognition for that job they did. Sadly she surrounded herself with yes-men (Heseltine aside) and started believing her own headlines, became far too intransigent. She did a nasty job that was very necessary and then ideally should have moved over. The tax thing though is interesting, Howe (the chancellor) stripped away the many layers of personal taxation, made it simpler and less easy to circumvent, the top rate went from a previous high of 98% down to 40% and by all accounts the tax take went up. Less point trying to evade 40% tax than 98% I guess.</p>
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<p>Yes. All the euphoria around Blair's New Labour soon disappeared. The Middle East has been his biggest undoing IMO, but in terms of damage to the UK some of the economic policies that Brown initiated have had and will continue to have more impact. Sad to say I do not see our current lot as any more heavyweight as economists.</p> -
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<p>Unfortunately hes from the naki but he was one of theirs for quite a while.If he wants to leave I'd help him pack. I would have paid good money to be at the event where Alan Duff chastised him over how much he'd spent renovating his residence at the universities expense.</p>
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<p>He's been writing books since he got back. Looks like he's due for another one if his last dirge is anything to go by.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Rescuing_the_New_Zealand_Economy.html?id=t-zsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en'>https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Rescuing_the_New_Zealand_Economy.html?id=t-zsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Without really knowing why, many New Zealanders are baffled and disturbed by the current economic turmoil of our </span><span style="color:#ff0000;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">cripplingly high interest rates a</span></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">nd a massively over-valued New Zealand dollar that is destroying the returns of our mainstay exporters. Author Bryan Gould shows how an extreme policy straitjacket has been responsible for decades of damage to our productive economy. But importantly, this book also looks beyond the recent, depressing past to a more optimistic vision for the future, and lays out a way forward that utilises a more balanced and humane view of what economic management is about. Ultmately, it is a plea for people to become better informed and to enter into the debate about how we can revive the New Zealand economy.</span></p>
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<p>The book was written in 2008. Thats why I said he's due to write another one, arguing the exact opposite .</p> -
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Boris is talking as if he will be in charge if there is an exit yet fails to explain that his ideas and concepts won't come into play unless there is a change in govt. <br>
When both Labour and the Tories are agreeing on the need to stay despite having more power in a leave situation you get rather worried at the prospect of exit. <br>
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<p>Leave is getting some serious momentum. Mainly, I think, because the leave campaigners have been much louder than the stay. Now that leave is starting to edge ahead, I do expect the campaign for stay (of which I think the arguments are much stronger) to pick up.</p>
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<p>There have been any number of staged debates over here on the subject and I'd like to say I find them amusing because of the sheer tripe that is spouted on both sides but it's not funny because it's serious stuff. I have to say, very grudgingly, that the two heavyweight politicos that have talked the most sense are Nicola Sturgeon (the latest fish based leader of the SNP) and Hilary Benn (leftist son of Tony Benn. Leftist but went to the elitist comprehensive school that is Holland Park). Both of them espoused calm, sane views without any hyperbole. The one guy that is continuously shooting himself in both feet is Boris Johnson. He not only told lies about the cost of the EU but plastered the figures all over his bus. When called out on the lie he has admitted that while it is not the actual truth it is the best way of getting the true cost of the EU over to the British public.</p>
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<p>There have been any number of staged debates over here on the subject and I'd like to say I find them amusing because of the sheer tripe that is spouted on both sides but it's not funny because it's serious stuff. I have to say, very grudgingly, that the two heavyweight politicos that have talked the most sense are Nicola Sturgeon (the latest fish based leader of the SNP) and Hilary Benn (leftist son of Tony Benn. Leftist but went to the elitist comprehensive school that is Holland Park). Both of them espoused calm, sane views without any hyperbole. The one guy that is continuously shooting himself in both feet is Boris Johnson. He not only told lies about the cost of the EU but plastered the figures all over his bus. When called out on the lie he has admitted that while it is not the actual truth it is the best way of getting the true cost of the EU over to the British public.</p>
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<p>Yeah Boris it's good to admit you have to lie to the public to get your point across. Imbecile.</p>
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<p>The stay campaign have also been caught out in massive lies as well though.</p>
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<p>I'm ashamed to say Baron that I couldn't sit through that video but I don't doubt your assertion of the remainers also lying and Osborne in particular. The scare tactics, lies and sheer bloody nonsense that is spouted but both sides is really tedious. If there was a third option of "Why don't the lot of you just fuck off" I think we'd have a clear winner. However if you do want to hear some sensible non-emotive reasoning take the time to listen to Sturgeon and Benn.</p>
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