Harvey Weinstein


  • Banned

    As mentioned, Weinstein is just the tip of the iceberg and I wonder if this will be a Catholic Church style tsunami of allegations against the entire industry. I certainly hope so. Some justice for the victims and comeuppance to those hypocritical piston wristed gibbons who preach moral virtue for everyone else but themselves.

    If these people were willing to defend and work together with a guy who analy raped a 13 year old then no wonder they were "ignorant" of Weinstein's antics.



  • @salacious-crumb said in Harvey Weinstein:

    LA Times has come out with their preliminary list.

    Asia Argento
    Rosanna Arquette
    Jessica Barth
    Zoe Brock
    Emma de Caunes
    Cara Delavingne
    Dawn Dunning
    Ambra Battilana Gutierrez
    Louisette Geiss
    Judith Godreche
    Heather Graham
    Angelina Jolie
    Ashley Judd
    Katherine Kendall
    Rose McGowan
    Emily Nestor
    Lauren O'Connor
    Gwyneth Paltrow
    Tomi-Ann Roberts
    Lauren Sivan
    Mira Sorvino
    Lucia Stoller

    Look for it to grow...

    Add:

    An unnamed female assistant
    Laura Madden
    Zelda Perkins
    An unnamed female employee
    Lucia Evans
    An unnamed actress
    Romola Garai
    Liz Campbell
    Jessica Hynes
    Kate Beckinsale
    Louise Godbold
    Lea Seydoux
    Claire Forlani
    Florence Darel
    Sophie Dix

    37 and counting, w/ 4 accusations of rape.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/the-harvey-weinstein-sexual-harassment-assault-accusations.html



  • I just hope Steven Seagal's "unique physiological reaction to sexual arousal" is finally revealed.



  • The world seems to be falling over the "outspoken" Emma Thompson's BBC Newsnight interview in which she mentions "the wider problem in the industry."

    From the article linked below:

    Asked whether there were other men like Weinstein hiding in the entertainment industry, Thompson said there were "many".

    "Maybe not to that degree," she continued.

    So why doesn't she live up to her "outspoken" nature and just go on and name some of the "many"? Even just the single worst one she knew of (after Weinstein)?

    You can't tell me that, right now, if she named someone else whose behaviour was like Weinstein's and her allegations were true, many victims' stories would be flushed out. Surely any actor who'd been harassed in any way is currently effectively immune to career repercussions.



  • Oliver Stone, come on down... you're next.



  • @salacious-crumb said in Harvey Weinstein:

    @salacious-crumb said in Harvey Weinstein:

    (Rose McGowan must be their worse nightmare about now...)

    McGowan has thrown away the Non-Disclosure Agreement she was paid off $100K; says Harvey raped her.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/rose-mcgowan-says-harvey-weinstein-raped-her.html

    Word is the Weinstein Company is nearing financial collapse, with-or-without the name-change. McGowan probably knows they won't have the money, let alone nerve, to slap a lawsuit on her for breach of the NDA.

    Genuine questiin can there be an enforceable agreement to suppress information about a crime?



  • @booboo

    We're going to find out.

    Disturbingly -- almost unbelievably -- Harvey had a sexual harrassment exemption WRITTEN INTO HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, and next week will be on video from his sex-therapy clinic in Arizona appealing to the Board of Directors to keep his job for wrongful dismissal.



  • This is the kind of thing victims are up against. The stakes are high and if you feel the chance of winning your day in court is minimal and the risk is loss of livelihood, reputation, everything, I can understand why everyone has kept quiet about HW this long. A prosecutor friend and I were chatting about something like this a while back and he said his firm did not waste top resources, ie their best barristers, on sexual assault he said she said cases because the win rate was so low. Sad but true



  • @canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:

    This is the kind of thing victims are up against. The stakes are high and if you feel the chance of winning your day in court is minimal and the risk is loss of livelihood, reputation, everything, I can understand why everyone has kept quiet about HW this long. A prosecutor friend and I were chatting about something like this a while back and he said his firm did not waste top resources, ie their best barristers, on sexual assault he said she said cases because the win rate was so low. Sad but true

    Good. Because the alternative is even more of a nightmare.



  • Not read full thread, but several random thoughts:

    I may be being harsh, but to me many of the industry players coming out now to criticise HW seems a bit like the boy in Schindler's List who volunteers that the dead man stole the chicken. Instead they are culpable as they 'knew' many years ago and said nothing. That was the horrible reality of the Saville parallel.

    Likewise, it is plain that HW is the tip of the iceberg. If there was a genuine desire to say something worthwhile insiders should now rather be taking the opportunity to come forward about the many others in the industry who do similar, even if maybe not as extreme as HW.

    I can't help but wonder about the women who said yes to HW. There is a sizable list of no thanks, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the list of 'aspiring' ladies who took one for their careers runs in to the high hundreds. If that is right, it would be the case that he had a 'line' but it was much higher that most's and condoned the unacceptably forceful.

    However, I suspect the dirty secret is that actresses as a whole have always been willing to put it about to further themselves, and that non-PC aspect is something the sisterhood is very quiet on.

    Hope HW sees jail time.

    And other similar types get named...



  • Good video clip on things:



  • I stopped updating Harvey's list but it's grown/still growing, and you can at at least a pair more accusations of rape.

    The Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences pulled him membership ... which only highlights the question why they never did the same for Roman Polanski -- who was convicted not simply in the court of public opinion, but a real criminal court of law.

    That's where the storty seems to be heading -- expanding to the culture of sexual arm-twisting & power in the industry, and not simply restricting itself to Harvey.



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  • @salacious-crumb 80 cents a sheet or 25 cents if you copy yourself is pretty standard isn't it?



  • $4K ain't that much to pay for a story



  • I'd be more worried about the total lack of timeline. Unless there is an official period or something in other info. Otherwise it's, take a number buddy...



  • @paekakboyz said in Harvey Weinstein:

    I'd be more worried about the total lack of timeline. Unless there is an official period or something in other info. Otherwise it's, take a number buddy...

    You're right. I suppose that they are getting inundated with requests for info. I'm not sure they are allowed to discriminated between what they see as the serious and the frivolous?





  • Am I the only one irritated by the #metoo trend?

    In no way meaning to dismiss the feelings of anyone who has suffered genuine sexual harassment / abuse but it just seems to me like another bandwagon.

    I'm sure most people (including even me) have be3en put into some uncomfortable or unwanted situations, but not everyone feels the need to #metoo.

    I'd feel more sympathy if these "courageous people of all genders" had spoken out at the time - that would have been courageous. Now it seems like a whole lot of "I really didn't welcome that grope 30 years ago" is obscuring proper rationale debate and action on what is an ongoing issue and one likely to get worse not improve.



  • @dogmeat I assure you,you aren't the only one.

    The world loves a bandwagon, especially one where the straight white man is the bad guy.



  • @dogmeat #metoo
    It's getting stupid. Had a friend put up a list including things like when she was 7 another kid kissed her on the lips.

    Ok sure these days an unwanted kiss is sexual assault (as too is an unwanted stare..)..but for fucks sake that really is scraping the bottom of the barrell. I sense a wee bit of competition over who is the bigger victim and plenty of anti male hatred to boot with metoo evidencing just how bad men really are. I'd be genuinely surprised if anyone, man or women hasn't experienced sexual assault in thier lifetime but I don't see the benefit in drawing an equivalency between years of childhood sexual abuse and 'some creepy guy grabbed my ass in a club'.





  • I find it super-fascinating that the ass-kicker in this whole thing -- Rose McGowan -- was raised in the Children of God cult (subsequently known as "Family of Love" and now called "Family International").

    Wikipedia:

    "Her father ran an Italian chapter of the Children of God, in which both he and his wife held membership until 1978.[3] McGowan spent her early childhood amid the group's communes, often traveling through Europe with her parents.[2] When interviewed by Howard Stern in 2001, she stated she had avoided the group's calls for members to become sexually active as children and stated that she never personally experienced abuse as a child."

    The leader of the cult -- known as "The Love Prophet" -- was a freak named David Berg (a.k.a. "Moses David") who used to pimp out the young females to recruiit strangers into the cult by having sex with them. Where a Jehovah's Witness is supposed to go "witnessing" (knocking on doors, handing out leaflets of Watchtower magazine), the strategy for Children of God was called "FF-ing" ("Flirty Fishing") seducing new recruits with pleasures of nubile flesh. When the women orgasmed they were supposed to yell out how much they loved God. There have been widespread accusations of sexual abuse and pedophilia in that cult.

    The cult has changed it's strategies since the death of "Moses David" in the mid-1990s, and FFing is no longer used. But the policy absolutely was used when McGowan was raised -- it was DOCTRINE. It must have been awfully perplexing and psychologically damaging for McGowan -- even if, as she tells Howard Stern, honestly-or-not, that she wasn't sexually abused as a kid -- her mother would have been expected to have sex with strangers to "bring 'em into the fold," and this was overt out-in-the-open.

    There have been several documentaries about the cult from the 1970s & '80s... the most recent one a few years back was made by HBO, called "Lost and Found.". First part is here:



  • @salacious-crumb said in Harvey Weinstein:

    I find it super-fascinating that the ass-kicker in this whole thing -- Rose McGowan -- was raised in the Children of God cult (subsequently known as "Family of Love" and now called "Family International").

    Wikipedia:

    "Her father ran an Italian chapter of the Children of God, in which both he and his wife held membership until 1978.[3] McGowan spent her early childhood amid the group's communes, often traveling through Europe with her parents.[2] When interviewed by Howard Stern in 2001, she stated she had avoided the group's calls for members to become sexually active as children and stated that she never personally experienced abuse as a child."

    The leader of the cult -- known as "The Love Prophet" -- was a freak named David Berg (a.k.a. "Moses David") who used to pimp out the young females to recruiit strangers into the cult by having sex with them. Where a Jehovah's Witness is supposed to go "witnessing" (knocking on doors, handing out leaflets of Watchtower magazine), the strategy for Children of God was called "FF-ing" ("Flirty Fishing") seducing new recruits with pleasures of nubile flesh. When the women orgasmed they were supposed to yell out how much they loved God. There have been widespread accusations of sexual abuse and pedophilia in that cult.

    The cult has changed it's strategies since the death of "Moses David" in the mid-1990s, and FFing is no longer used. But the policy absolutely was used when McGowan was raised -- it was DOCTRINE. It must have been awfully perplexing and psychologically damaging for McGowan -- even if, as she tells Howard Stern, honestly-or-not, that she wasn't sexually abused as a kid -- her mother would have been expected to have sex with strangers to "bring 'em into the fold," and this was overt out-in-the-open.

    There have been several documentaries about the cult from the 1970s & '80s... the most recent one a few years back was made by HBO, called "Lost and Found.". First part is here:

    How come that is fascinating?



  • River Phoenix was raised in the same cult, lost his virginity at seven. Some fucked up people in the world.



  • @hooroo said in Harvey Weinstein:

    How come that is fascinating?

    Have you seen the comic books?



  • I'm thinking Hollywood has been operating a lot like a cult for a very long time -- using sex abuse, shiny awards, mind control and fear to f#ck over insecure people who are desperate to be loved.

    And now the dam is bursting.



  • @salacious-crumb Massive power imbalance between those who have and those who don't, no regulation of any kind, the constant threat of being blackballed out of the industry if you step out of line. These are not traits specific to Hollywood but show business seems to present a haven for predators like Saville, Cosby, the Fox news guy, Weinstein to name but a few



  • I was reminded of the recent court case where Taylor Swift took some no one radio DJ to court for reaching under her skirt at a publicity event. She is one of the biggest female stars in the world right now, and she was subjected to trial by the DJ's lawyer. Imagine if the power dynamic was reversed



  • This hardcore communist fuckface writes for the Guardian:

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  • @tim He isa man and he is a creep. Therefore man=creep.



  • I was hoping it was Owen Jones going down, but I'll take Sam Kriss.



  • Maybe it's time to start the #ididntdoit o #itwasntme campaign ...

    Where 99% of the world who didn't get involved in any of this shit, but are being perceived as the bad guy, fight back.



  • I strikes me that what the dogooders in the film industry need to do is to get off the publicity seeking bandwagon and set up a independent body which allows those who've been abused to lodge confidential complaints, naming names. Said body would quickly become appraised of the worst offenders and could interact with the various victims in order to launch coordinated action against the perpetrators.

    Lots of issues with this, but the absence of anyone suggesting this type of thing makes one suspicious of how serious the dogooders are to do anything substantive against the problem they say they feel so aggrieved about.



  • @pakman said in Harvey Weinstein:

    Lots of issues with this, but the absence of anyone suggesting this type of thing makes one suspicious of how serious the dogooders are to do anything substantive against the problem they say they feel so aggrieved about.

    I'm no expert in dealing with victims of any type of assault, let alone sexual, but that is an incredibly simplistic view of some quite complicated, varied and individual needs.
    I would hazard a guess that most victims have developed coping strategies of their own based on professional advice. These strategies may or may not include going through legal action.
    They really would be 'dogooders' if they assumed they knew a better way for victims to cope.
    The biggest changes in groups of people come from societal pressure. What is currently happening is great in that it is being made very clear to perps past and future that the ice has been broken and the attitude of sweeping things under the carpet will no longer be tolerated, therefore increasing the chance of either prosecution or ostracism.
    One of the main reasons these victims are speaking out is that they see value to themselves in hopefully preventing these behaviours continuing. Even if some of the #metoo's are dubious in some eyes the fact they they feel the need to add weight to what is a genuine issue is a good thing





  • @tregaskis The whole mutant crew:

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  • @crucial although what you say is true, you are also missing on crucial point.

    IF what Weinstein did was that bad, then every single person who was sexually assaulted, harassed, blackmailed etc, in effect allowed him to continue do this by not speaking up. Speaking up now is borderline pointless. Lets say he had 50 victims ... if you were number 1 and said nothing, then you are effectively are partly responsible for the next 49 victims .... if you are number 2, then 48 and so on ....

    I'm not a buyer of the "because he's Harvey Weinstein" thing ... if speaking out about it is that damn hard, then go to the police confidentially. It's not that hard. Somebody sexually assaults you, then bloody do something about it.

    Don't stay quiet for 15 years, whilst your career puts in the A-list upper echelon, commanding 10's of millions for a movie, then suddenly start speaking out when somebody else has the guts too.

    Hollywood is a fucked up place, becoming more and more exclusively for fucked up people, with fucked up morals, fucked up judgements, and fucked up heads.

    And yet it's powerful, because we live in an age where everybody thinks celebrities opinions are worth more than the shit paper they are written on.



  • @majorrage said in Harvey Weinstein:

    @crucial although what you say is true, you are also missing on crucial point.

    Talk about amazing lack of self awareness! 😆


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