All Blacks v France I
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How good is it to have a unit in the middle of the lineout securing possession, catching kick-offs and the scrum not going backwards.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
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@canefan kicking is probably part of the game plan, I doubt BBs execution of said kicks can be laid at the feet of anyone bar BB.
Tactical kicking is certainly a weak part of most NZ teams right now
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan kicking is probably part of the game plan, I doubt BBs execution of said kicks can be laid at the feet of anyone bar BB.
Tactical kicking is certainly a weak part of most NZ teams right now
Yup. Kicking, kick contests, and exits are all Achilles heels for this team. It will likely cost us at least one game this season
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
Vern would have to also be at fault - I've mentioned a few times during SR how bizarre it is. If it's against coaches instruction, he'd be dropped, if the coaches are instructing him to do it... what the fuck?
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v France I:
@Frank said in All Blacks v France I:
Rieko came on the scene with insane athleticism.
Fast, strong and elusive.Since then, he has not improved his kicking game, aerial game or passing game.
Yes.
In rugby as in any sport players whose best attributes are athleticism, speed etc age badly if they don't add to their repertoire because once they lose a bit of pace they can't reinvent themselves.
You could be talking about BB as well. DMac may head in the same direction if he is not careful.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
Vern would have to also be at fault - I've mentioned a few times during SR how bizarre it is. If it's against coaches instruction, he'd be dropped, if the coaches are instructing him to do it... what the fuck?
He's done the same thing under multiple coaches, so I reckon it's him. Probably a hang over from when he was really quick. His speed would allow him to turn a lot of those kicks into something. Remember when the ball would bounce for him? He's not alone in thinking he can still do what he did when he was younger.
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@Crazy-Horse so then the coaches are either all for it, or just lump it and don't say anything, for that one in ten times it actually works.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
CLW pretty good - solid, no errors, nothing that says to me that he'll be world XV and the winning of games against the best teams though, and I'd have to question how many stop-gaps we need.
An injury forced change given by the end of last year they had moved Sititi to #8 and it appeared to be where they wanted to go this year by naming CLW as injury cover as a specialist #8.
I suspect now he will make the TRC squad where Razor and co get to add a couple more permanently to the squad.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.You'd be forgiven for thinking Frizzel was back already.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
BBs worst kick was the fucking attempted grubber through 3 compressed defenders while we were pouring forward. Idiotic
Yeah, DMac did exactly the same thing in the lead up to the Proctor no-try, but luckily it bounced back into his arms off the defenders legs. Across the park we take low percentage options that cost us.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.You'd be forgiven for thinking Frizzel was back already.
Yep it is like watching all that shit again.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
I guess the issue with BB and his kicking, is he either is 'allowed' to kick or told he shouldn't...I doubt any coach will do that.
I think he has had free reign for so long, he sees space then poorly executes...
It was notable when we put our kicking boots away, we were all over them and looking like breaking loose, but didn't, then re went back to the kicking duel, which kept putting ourselves under pressure.
Kicking asid, BB went pretty well, so how do you get your hugely experienced 10 to kick less?
His passing was really pretty good, best we've seen from him this year, and he kicked his goals well. But fuck me, he kicks so much attacking ball away it does my head in. Each one of those should be treated as a turnover, because that's what they are - if someone knocked the ball on multiple times every game while hot on attack, they would be crucified.
I'm sure there'll be some game where it all comes off and we look amazing and put 50 on some team, but most of the time it means not converting opportunities or applying pressure. that's how you get France C staying close enough to potentially snatch victory - and there are several teams out there better than France C.And he can't exit with distance. And missed touch from a penalty. And a defensive bomb. And we still don't chase and contest - TBH that's the bit that really confuses me - because if it's a plan, sack the chasers. if it's not a plan, sack the kicker.
It was noticeable that France had two or three effective chasers, whereas we often had no one getting near the ball.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
To me, BB plays basically the same under any coach.
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If I had one piece of advice for them they'd listen to, it would be, get the best NH kicking coach they can find.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
Vern would have to also be at fault - I've mentioned a few times during SR how bizarre it is. If it's against coaches instruction, he'd be dropped, if the coaches are instructing him to do it... what the fuck?
He's done the same thing under multiple coaches, so I reckon it's him. Probably a hang over from when he was really quick. His speed would allow him to turn a lot of those kicks into something. Remember when the ball would bounce for him? He's not alone in thinking he can still do what he did when he was younger.
There was the Chiefs finals match.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
To me, BB plays basically the same under any coach.
So is he not receptive to being coached, or are all his coaches either too chicken shit to tell him to change, or they like the uncontrolled way he plays?
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Why aren't lessons permanently learned ?
Every rugby team knows to have chasers.
We'll hear about how they saw that as a "work on" in training.
Every rugby player knows low percentage plays aren't for test rugby.The rugby IQ of our team seems substandard.
