All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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I somehow used to hate Ewen McKenzie as the Wallabies coach, but I think that was purely due to him having coached the Reds back then, the fuckiest fucks of teams in Super Rugby. I retrospectively learned to appreciate Mr McKenzie now. Michael Cheika is a terrible excuse of a coach as far as personal conduct is concerned, especially after losing (which he should be quite used to by now).
I think the Speight non-try was a bad call, but you win some, you lose some. It's just after every single Wallabies loss Cheika comes up with some excuse and makes it about something that it shouldn't be.
He acts like a 60 year old who visits the internet for the first time and gets offended about some crap cartoon about something irrelevant. What a dickfuck
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
Ermmm...where exactly is the apology?
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I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
He's basically calling the best referee in the world a cheat, albeit subtly.
Blames the loss on Owens, and then implies that other losses under Owens were his fault too.
Now where is that respect for the opposition he was bleating about earlier?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
Ermmm...where exactly is the apology?
Have to agree. It is as childish as Cheika. Full of excuses and condescending as all hell.
"Owens should get another chance to referee" WTF! The world's best ref, knows the Laws and how to manage a game 20x better than Kafer does yet Kafer gets to call on his suitability to ref?
I notice the complete lack of analysis on the Coles no try as well. I guarantee that if the two non tries were the other way around, the Aussies would be bitching that their player was impeded and had an arm wrapped around him restricting his ability to reach for the ball plus 'suck it up kiwis your guy can't take out our chaser.
If you want to start whinging about referee decisions then speak up about the ones that go in your favour. Scotland anyone? -
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
Personally I am not whining about anything. I do however find it incredibly funny. I love hearing Aussies whine, and even better when they write articles demanding change to a process just after the process supposedly hurt them. HOT TAKES!
As for Kafer... meh... he is still grumpy, and his attempts at snide criticism and bleating are clearly good enough to fool some. so good on him. He is catering to a low denominator. -
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side. -
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
Where he talks about Aussie's previous record under Owens' He's, very subtly, implying the reason they lost is because Owens either made mistakes or has it in for the Wallabies. It's a siege mentality because they suck so much at the moment.
IMO, that's tantamount to calling Owens a cheat. At best it's dismissive, and yes, disrespectful of the opposition.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.Oh right so it's a shit call, because Aus shouldn't have got a try due to a previous infringement. Way to go with that logical reasoning. So if we're going to cater to this new thing of whataboutery, what infringements occurred before that? Or are we only counting back to the "penalty" for Aus?
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For those claiming DHP was just "running a support line" - that's a really strange support line he was trying to run, directly behind Speight. "I'm here for a random overhead pass if you need me mate!".
Watching the video it looks like DHP is impeded, and as a result is not in a position to receive the pass from Speight if required. So he reacts by impeding Savea to ensure he cannot make the tackle. So penalty to Aus, followed by penalty to the ABs... blow it up and come back for the penalty to Aus as advantage ends when they commit an offense. Or just ignore both offenses and allow play to continue. 50/50, often the ref will allow play to continue, but if a try is scored then they do tend to scrutinise every play in the lead up. It's the nature of the TMO.
I don't mind the debate on whether it should be a try or not, rugby has plenty of grey areas that can spark some pretty interesting debates.
But this talk of the decision "changing the course of the match" and "denying Aus the chance of victory" is horseshit in a 6 tries to 1 mauling. Rightly or wrongly deflecting blame is a definite tactic of Cheika's and he's remarkably good at it! A future in the EPL awaits...
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Just to add to this, but the Aussies have always performed best when they've had intelligent & astute coaches. Dwyer, McQueen and cough Jones spring to mind. I don't know what other coaches are out there but one who focuses on their own issues would be great start!
Ah... in part, yes. But look at the teams those coaches had. Jones wasn't a coach, he was more of a manager, and he just let what was a very good crop of players do what they do best. Dwyer had a very similar group, but probably added a bit more in terms of teamwork.
Macqueen was probably the best of them in terms of bringing something new and staying ahead of the curve, basically going professional before everyone else knew what it looked like.
But again: Eales leading a hardworking forward pack including (at times) Kearns, Smith, Cockbain, Kefu, and several players well above average. Bolt on a backline of Gregan, Larkham, Horan, Little, Roff, Tune, Burke. Not only handy players but went up against what was probably a slightly disorganised NZRFU (and everyone else) at the time.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
shouldn't the TMO check replays anyway regardless of the homeground producer? TMO sees something it's checked regardless of conversion timing. Just hold the restart until TMO has checked?
If that was to become standard procedure, it starts to look like the NRL.
Someone mentioned an NRL bunker-style review setup. I've heard nothing but bad things about it. Haven't seen it in operation (because NRL).
@Gary said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving.
Owens allowed sideways feeds from the start on both sides. TJP wasn't even standing straight at the feed - looked like he wanted Phipps to give him a bit of the ol' truncheon! -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.I thought you were just taking the piss of Kafer until I read your discussion with Bones.
I wouldn't have had an issue if it was a penalty to Australia, but Kafer wants the obstruction on DHP to be penalisable while at the same timenot wanting the obstruction by DHP to be penalisable. That doesn't fit your "wanting consistency" at all.
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speaking of scrums, I haven't checked back for the discussion, but holy shit what was with the non-hooking scrums there for a patch of the game!
I understand there is all sorts of pressure going on in there, but um, I wonder why a hooker is called a hooker
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Anyone would think you fluffybunnies had lost...
Maybe it's why we win ...
Because two dozen misty-eyed old Kiwis (and Queenslanders like yourself and @mariner4life ) spend a few hours a week on a forum declaring your unrequited man-love for one player over another?
Yeah... look. I'm sure Shag and the other coaches have a roster for taking detailed notes about your actions...
