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@Frank Given the alternative - you betcha
Neither candidate is attractive but one comes across as a crooked politician (so pretty much par for the course) and the other a morally corrupt, self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, bullying, lazy, ill-informed, pretty stupid, dangerously moody, sociopath
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@dogmeat said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Frank Given the alternative - you betcha
Neither candidate is attractive but one comes across as a crooked politician (so pretty much par for the course) and the other a morally corrupt, self-aggrandizing, narcissistic, bullying, lazy, ill-informed, pretty stupid, dangerously moody, sociopath
You left out petty, thin skinned and small handed
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Tough one really, you wouldn't want to abstain cos they both suck for fear of too many doing just that and ending up with the worst of 2 shitty options....but yeah I'd go HC because of the least worst scenario.
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I'd vote for Hillary because at least she has some experience as a politician. I accept most of the arguments outlined in Tim's article above, but I'm not at all convinced that Trump can pull any of it off.
Also - for all of Hillary's faults (too many to list), she would also keep judges out of women's pants - which to honest is almost a single issue for me. If Trump were pro-choice and would appoint judges who agreed that abortion is covered by the 14th (??) amendment, I'd be much much more likely to vote for him.
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There is no candidate worth voting for. Both sides makes excellent points on who to vote against.
Hillary will win the election
I would have a protest vote at the top of the ticket and vote Republican on every other option. Hillary needs to be kept on the shortest leash possible and a divided government is the only way to do that
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What I am finding fascinating in all of this, is the apparent inability of many, especiallyin the media, to see the significance of what nearly 50% of americans supporting Trump says about how the status quo sucks donkey balls for many. I am concerned they will see a Clinton victory as a green light for more mass immigration, more political correctness and minority group pandering and more attacks on free speech.
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Didn't she try to temper her pitch to bring Sanders voters back in? Despite our differences I think we can agree that Hillary is a political survivor. If she wins it will be interesting to see if she tries to act to soften the sentiment that has powered Trump this far
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For people who enjoy chaos:
McMullin wins Utahs 6 electoral votes
Trumps picks up a Dem leaning State and wins all Rep leaning States. Leaving no candidate with 270 electoral votes
The Presidency gets handed over to the house, who vote in state delegations. They can only vote for one of these 3 candidates.
McMullin somehow steals it by being the compromise 2nd best/worst candidate
I'm sure everyone would be happy with an ex CIA, ex Goldman Sachs employee appointed President?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
What I am finding fascinating in all of this, is the apparent inability of many, especiallyin the media, to see the significance of what nearly 50% of americans supporting Trump says about how the status quo sucks donkey balls for many. I am concerned they will see a Clinton victory as a green light for more mass immigration, more political correctness and minority group pandering and more attacks on free speech.
If Clinton wins.... they will just create a more scary version of Trump for the future.i agree that the american people are fed up with the status quo, but again, i think you are mistaking your personal bugbears with those of the american people.
trump beat republican candidates who were very anti-immigration and very conservative re minority groups. meanwhile bernie sanders - the most left candidate in an age in america - had a campaign far, far, far more successful than anyone would ever have predicted. these two things don't really fit with the barrow you're pushing. -
People are allowed to state an opinion and not be pushing a barrow.I think a huge amount of US citizens dislike the media, dislike political correctness and dislike social justice warriors.
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@reprobate Sanders and Trump are both relative outsiders to the political establishment and have been very popular. Apart from Clinton everyone else representing what voters perceive to be the establishment has failed to capture the imagination
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I reckon Thiel nailed it in that article above. It seems that certain elites or wealthy people apply the royal WE when addressing how the population as a whole are travelling. Because they themselves and those they associate with have never had it so good they assume this applies to everyone else. The great unwashed should stop complaining and just be thankful for the scraps they get.
It's obvious that he's holding his nose when voicing his support for Trump but he understands something needs to change. Personally, I'm not sure Trump is the person to do that, but I'm pretty farking positive Clinton isn't.
If I was driving or catching the bus after a tough day of work on probably a shitty cold November day, would either of these 2 candidates motivate me to then stand in line at the polling booth? Nope.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
People are allowed to state an opinion and not be pushing a barrow.I think a huge amount of US citizens dislike the media, dislike political correctness and dislike social justice warriors.
Are you pushing a barrow because you keep replying to me?well if you don't want people replying to what you say, then maybe you need a blog rather than a forum mate.
rather than getting riled up you could address my points - the rise of sanders doesn't really fit with what you're saying - he is a social justice warrior, in the literal sense of those words. if the yanks are fed up with social justice, why has his popularity gone through the roof beyond all expectations?
as canefan says - both sanders and trump are seen as political outsiders, non-traditional non- establishment candidates. mistrust of politicians is huge, and i think that is more relevant. -
@reprobate said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
the rise of sanders doesn't really fit with what you're saying - he is a social justice warriorPrimarily economic justice not social justice
Of course was very liberal in the social sense as well, but this was not at the main message of his campaign.He was popular because was honest and authentic and not perceived as one of the elites.
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